Dawn difference to others dish soap

[Hoytman]

SECTION XII - ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
All surfactants are readily biodegradable. These products are safe for septic tanks.

There is a reason it's used during ecological disasters like the accident with the Exxon Valdez.

Being readily biodegradable may also be the reason it's been chosen by so many as a stripper of lsp's, rather than stronger substances...being safer for the environment. Just a thought, as I have no proof if that is why it's widely used for this purpost or not.

However, here in Ohio it's often used to clean up petroleum spills along the highway's, be it gasoline, oil, diesel, whatever. I've been told it's used not only because of it being biodegradable, but because of how it breaks down these oils.

I see that Ivory and Joy are listed on the MSDS making it appear they are the same product. I'm not sure that is the case or if that is what is meant. I mean, I don't know. I've always understood that Dawn was the only product used during times of crisis. I don't know if that is true, but if it is there certainly would be a reason.

 

[Blk5.0]

You have to remember that the OP is not in the US - like a number of us aren't. While products like Eraser, Griot's Paint Prep, P21S TAW, etc. can be obtained fairly easily over there, shipping liquids across borders can be prohibitively expensive. On the other hand, a dishwashing soap such as Dawn (or Joy over here) is readily available in thousands of supermarkets or convenience stores, at a pretty inexpensive price - hence why people still consider using it over more dedicated wax strippers.

Does p21s taw do a good job at stripping lsp? I have. Chemical guys citrus wash and not that great

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Just to interject...

If a soap is biodegradable, and it removes for example and oil residue off your car, say you clean your greasy, grimy engine compartment with a biodegradable soap.

The soap will degrade but will the sludge it removed degrade?

 

[courtdale]

Does p21s taw do a good job at stripping lsp? I have. Chemical guys citrus wash and not that great

ISP and Dawn are the only detail products my wife buys so there's my motivation. I need to convince her that microfiber products are the way to go for kitchen and bathroom .

To answer your question, not sure about P21, but Griot's Paint Clean has gotten a few good reviews for stripping lately.

 

[FUNX650]

Just to interject...

If a soap is biodegradable, and it removes for example and oil residue off your car, say you clean your greasy, grimy engine compartment with a biodegradable soap.

The soap will degrade but will the sludge it removed degrade?

I wonder: Are there any bio-degradable soaps/detergents that have any "sludge eating enzymes" included in their formulations?



Bob

 

[DaC]

A very large international corporation called Proctor & Gamble, whose headquarters are located in Cincinnati, Ohio USA, manufactures many home and personal care products.

Some of their Brand-Names for liquid hand-dish-washing detergents are:

Dawn
Ivory
Joy

They contain:

-Surfactants for cleaning and sudsing
-Ethyl alcohol
-Water
-Stabilizing agents
-Colorants and perfumes.

Proctor &Gamble also has Dawn and Joy brands called Dawn/Joy Liquid Anti-Bacterial (Triclosan) Hand Soaps.

More information (MSDS) is available here:
http://216.178.82.98/leonardpaper/pub/msds/81300/PG-84982413.pdf

Out of curiosity....
-What is the most popular hand-dish-washing-liquid detergent in Brazil?
-Have you ever personally used it for vehicle washing sessions?
-If so...what were your observations on its cleaning ability;
-And, did it cause any adverse effects on the vehicle's different surfaces (paint, plastics, rubber) that you were able to also observe?

Thanks for your inquiry about Dawn's use in vehicle care in the USA.
Thanks also for any information you may wish to share in regards to my inquiries listed above.



Bob

Thank you for the useful info Bob! :xyxthumbs:

-What is the most popular hand-dish-washing-liquid detergent in Brazil?

Well... here in Brazil we have huge brands of dish washing... I don't think there's a preferred one.... but I would say "Bombril" with it's "Limpol" dish wash soap is the most strong brand...

-Have you ever personally used it for vehicle washing sessions?
-If so...what were your observations on its cleaning ability;
-And, did it cause any adverse effects on the vehicle's different surfaces (paint, plastics, rubber) that you were able to also observe?

Yes! A lot!
Years back when I was still a teenager my mother heard a recommendation to only wash her cars with coconut dish soap.... I don't know if you guys have this type up there..... anyway... I really don't know if there's anything on it besides the smell of coconut... lol....
Later she was told to use clear dish soap only to wash her car..... well... I might say that her car has been washed year after year like this and I never realized a problem, although I only joined detailing world at may of this year... I'm pretty sure I got more critical and now I can see things that I wouldn't before.... next week I'll travel up northe to my hometown on vacations and I'll have the opportunity to detail for the first time both honda civic my mother and my brother owns, so I might check if I find anything bad about them that could relate to dish soap use... anyway... both are 2 years old... I really don't think it could have any side effect on a 2 years car.

I realized that cars washed with aggressive products lke dish soap / kerosene / diesel fuel have less need to clay... and believe me... it's pretty common to use kerosene to wash a car around here... (not all the time, but from time to time a lot of people do that.... I did myself in the past...)

I also did a little research on brands...
- Both Unilever and Procter Gamble hold brands here in Brazil... but to my surprise neither have any dish soap brand here....
But they do have laundry soap brands, I actually realized I use a P&G laundry soap brand called here "Ariel" to wash my MF towels...... I might try to used it on my car to strip LSP or to remove polishing oils as a pre LSP step, but I'm kind worried about it (although I do think it's a silly worry), anyway... I don't think it would hurt more than using mineral spirits or IPA.

I wonder: Are there any bio-degradable soaps/detergents that have any "sludge eating enzymes" included in their formulations?

NOTE: I hope I spelt everything write!



Bob

LoL.... yeah... makes sense...

 

[FUNX650]

Thank you for the useful info Bob! :xyxthumbs:

Well... here in Brazil we have huge brands of dish washing... I don't think there's a preferred one.... but I would say "Bombril" with it's "Limpol" dish wash soap is the most strong brand...
Yes! A lot!
Years back when I was still a teenager my mother heard a recommendation to only wash her cars with coconut dish soap.... I don't know if you guys have this type up there..... anyway... I really don't know if there's anything on it besides the smell of coconut... lol....
Later she was told to use clear dish soap only to wash her car..... well... I might say that her car has been washed year after year like this and I never realized a problem, although I only joined detailing world at may of this year... I'm pretty sure I got more critical and now I can see things that I wouldn't before.... next week I'll travel up northe to my hometown on vacations and I'll have the opportunity to detail for the first time both honda civic my mother and my brother owns, so I might check if I find anything bad about them that could relate to dish soap use... anyway... both are 2 years old... I really don't think it could have any side effect on a 2 years car.

I realized that cars washed with aggressive products lke dish soap / kerosene / diesel fuel have less need to clay... and believe me... it's pretty common to use kerosene to wash a car around here... (not all the time, but from time to time a lot of people do that.... I did myself in the past...)

I also did a little research on brands...
- Both Unilever and Procter Gamble hold brands here in Brazil... but to my surprise neither have any dish soap brand here....
But they do have laundry soap brands, I actually realized I use a P&G laundry soap brand called here "Ariel" to wash my MF towels...... I might try to used it on my car to strip LSP or to remove polishing oils as a pre LSP step, but I'm kind worried about it (although I do think it's a silly worry), anyway... I don't think it would hurt more than using mineral spirits or IPA.

Sometimes you never know what international corporation owns/makes what products, or where at, without a scorecard!

Coconut dish soap, you say....Sounds yummy
Maybe some soaps/detergents containing cocodiamides would be of the "coconut type"? These particular soaps/detergents don't have the coconut aroma, though.

Good luck in your upcoming details on your family's cars!


BTW: Is this wax still made in Brazil?






Bob

 

[DaC]

Sometimes you never know what international corporation owns/makes what products, or where at, without a scorecard!

Coconut dish soap, you say....Sounds yummy
Maybe some soaps/detergents containing cocodiamides would be of the "coconut type"? These particular soaps/detergents don't have the coconut aroma, though.

I must day I really don't know that one... :laughing:

Good luck in your upcoming details on your family's cars!

Thanks Bob! I'll make sure to post the black one here... I'm quite sure it will be pretty life less looking.

BTW: Is this wax still made in Brazil?






Bob

Yes sir! How do you know it ? I don't actually have it right now, but I do have their washing shampoo, which is not bad at all btw.
I just took this picture showing my national made waxes (all of them are cleaner wax, we don't have any pure wax). All of my AG stuff are already 3000 km up north from Brazil at my mother's house.

 

[shoeless89]

I thought Dawn Dish Soap was known world wide. The only soap to wash water fowl after an oil spill.

:iagree: lol

 

[FUNX650]

Oh someday, if you don't mind, I'd like to make arrangements to get my hands on a couple of your Country's version of some S.C.Johnson's waxes....We used to have plenty of them in the USA a few years back.

I noticed there are also a few other ones:
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Cera Grand Prix® Impermeabilizadora limpa, dá brilho e ainda impermeabiliza o seu carro contra a sujeira. Sua exclusiva fórmula com polímeros e silicones especiais, forma uma camada protetora, que devolve o brilho e a cor original, diminuindo a aderência da sujeira à pintura.
Na próxima lavagem, será mais fácil remover a sujeira. Protege até duas vezes mais que as ceras comuns. Pode ser usado em qualquer tipo de pintura, sob o sol ou a sombra.

Grand Prix ® waterproofed wax cleans, shines and waterproofs even your car against dirt. Its exclusive formula with special polymers and silicones, form a protective layer, which restores the original luster and color, reducing the adhesion of dirt to painting.
In the next washing, it will be easier to remove dirt. Protects up to two times longer than ordinary wax. Can be used on any type of paint under the sun or shade.
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Cera Grand Prix® Pinturas Queimadas foi especialmente formulada para devolver o brilho e remover as manchas de pinturas queimadas e opacas em carros usados. Não usar sob o sol nem em carrocerias fiberglass. Em pinturas metalizadas ou perolizadas, use Grand Prix Tradicional ou Grand Prix Impermeabilizadora.
Atenção: Ideal para carros com mais de 10 anos*. Pode ter seu efeito reduzido se aplicada em pinturas perolizadas ou metalizadas.

Wax ® tan Grand Prix has been specially formulated to restore the shine and remove stains and opaque paintings burnt on used cars. Do not use under the sun or in fiberglass bodies. In paintings metallic or pearls, or use traditional Grand Prix Grand Prix proofed.
Warning: Ideal for cars over 10 years *. May have diminished effect if applied in paints or metallic perly.
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Grand Prix® Pronto Brilho é uma cera rápida que vai deixar o seu carro brilhando muito mais rápido e com muito menos esforço do que as ceras comuns, pois você não precisa esperar o produto secar para dar brilho. É passar o pano, e pronto! O seu carro estará brilhando como novo.

Grand Prix Ready ® Brilliance is a fast wax that will leave your car shining much faster and with much less effort than ordinary waxes, because you do not expect the product to dry to shine. You pass the cloth, and voila! Your car will shine like new.
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Might even like to give these a try, also.

Have safe journeys during the Holidays!




Bob

 

[DaC]

Oh someday, if you don't mind, I'd like to make arrangements to get my hands on a couple of your Country's version of some S.C.Johnson's waxes....We used to have plenty of them in the USA a few years back.

I noticed there are also a few other ones:
____________________________________________________


Cera Grand Prix® Impermeabilizadora limpa, dá brilho e ainda impermeabiliza o seu carro contra a sujeira. Sua exclusiva fórmula com polímeros e silicones especiais, forma uma camada protetora, que devolve o brilho e a cor original, diminuindo a aderência da sujeira à pintura.
Na próxima lavagem, será mais fácil remover a sujeira. Protege até duas vezes mais que as ceras comuns. Pode ser usado em qualquer tipo de pintura, sob o sol ou a sombra.

Grand Prix ® waterproofed wax cleans, shines and waterproofs even your car against dirt. Its exclusive formula with special polymers and silicones, form a protective layer, which restores the original luster and color, reducing the adhesion of dirt to painting.
In the next washing, it will be easier to remove dirt. Protects up to two times longer than ordinary wax. Can be used on any type of paint under the sun or shade.
____________________________________________________



Cera Grand Prix® Pinturas Queimadas foi especialmente formulada para devolver o brilho e remover as manchas de pinturas queimadas e opacas em carros usados. Não usar sob o sol nem em carrocerias fiberglass. Em pinturas metalizadas ou perolizadas, use Grand Prix Tradicional ou Grand Prix Impermeabilizadora.
Atenção: Ideal para carros com mais de 10 anos*. Pode ter seu efeito reduzido se aplicada em pinturas perolizadas ou metalizadas.

Wax ® tan Grand Prix has been specially formulated to restore the shine and remove stains and opaque paintings burnt on used cars. Do not use under the sun or in fiberglass bodies. In paintings metallic or pearls, or use traditional Grand Prix Grand Prix proofed.
Warning: Ideal for cars over 10 years *. May have diminished effect if applied in paints or metallic perly.
____________________________________________________


Grand Prix® Pronto Brilho é uma cera rápida que vai deixar o seu carro brilhando muito mais rápido e com muito menos esforço do que as ceras comuns, pois você não precisa esperar o produto secar para dar brilho. É passar o pano, e pronto! O seu carro estará brilhando como novo.

Grand Prix Ready ® Brilliance is a fast wax that will leave your car shining much faster and with much less effort than ordinary waxes, because you do not expect the product to dry to shine. You pass the cloth, and voila! Your car will shine like new.
____________________________________________________


Might even like to give these a try, also.

Have safe journeys during the Holidays!




Bob

I actually already used both the red and the black one back in 2001 when I had a white car.... wow... it has been awhile... I wasn't even remembering of it..... you got me curious too....
I mean, I was checking mike's makeover on the Neon where he was talking about a single step detail job....
Maybe if this or others national cleaner wax works well on machine and do remove some swirls I can use it to do some quick and more low end job for the guys that only cares about price....
But I think some are just chemical cleaners and others also have abrasives on it.


If you look at my picture, there is one from "AutoShine", the blue one.... it is an extremely easy wowo wax.... and it leaves the red on my car darker and really nice, but it doesn't get to the gloss from the #885.... I would say it lasts about 2-3 weeks... it's also a cleaner wax.... I must say I really like it, but I have long dropped it in favor of collinite's #885 fleet wax because of durability....
It would be very very interesting to me if some of these national waxes could fly up there so you (and some others guys that might be interested) could test it and compare with what you already know.

Let me know what you have mind and I'll make it happen! :dblthumb2:

 

[FUNX650]

I actually already used both the red and the black one back in 2001 when I had a white car.... wow... it has been awhile... I wasn't even remembering of it..... you got me curious too....
I mean, I was checking mike's makeover on the Neon where he was talking about a single step detail job....
Maybe if this or others national cleaner wax works well on machine and do remove some swirls I can use it to do some quick and more low end job for the guys that only cares about price....
But I think some are just chemical cleaners and others also have abrasives on it.


If you look at my picture, there is one from "AutoShine", the blue one.... it is an extremely easy wowo wax.... and it leaves the red on my car darker and really nice, but it doesn't get to the gloss from the #885.... I would say it lasts about 2-3 weeks... it's also a cleaner wax.... I must say I really like it, but I have long dropped it in favor of collinite's #885 fleet wax because of durability....
It would be very very interesting to me if some of these national waxes could fly up there so you (and some others guys that might be interested) could test it and compare with what you already know.

Let me know what you have mind and I'll make it happen! :dblthumb2:

Thanks for the offer! :hungry:

I'll get with you after the first of the new year!

(Also...I promise I won't use any Dawn on them. LOL)



Bob

 

[DaC]

Thanks for the offer! :hungry:

I'll get with you after the first of the new year!

(Also...I promise I won't use any Dawn on them. LOL)



Bob

I think Dawn would send these wax to the never land... :laughing:
Just PM whenever you wanna do it! :dblthumb2: