Deep Gloss Auto Salon Test: Optimum Compound II vs M105

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M105 has garnered many fans and rightfully so due to the great cut and quick work time which for some is a blessing and others a curse.

While only some have an issue with the relatively short work cycle we all experience the dust that is a byproduct of the buffing liquid. In my opinion it was just par for the course, after all, it is a compound, and one that is a great asset to any detailers arsenal.

It has been quite sometime since I’ve used Optimum buffing liquids. When I first used them I did not care for them. At the time my main machine of choice was the random orbital and the Optimum buffing liquids at that time simply didn’t “cut” it for me (literally and figuratively).

In comes the new trio of Optimum buffing liquids, touting improved cut (some have said OHC is along the lined of M105) with low/no dusting – consider me interested.

So on with the comparison / testing - Nicely swirled up black paintwork – perfect test bed.

Note: Each “after” pictured is after one section pass

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As you will see in the above pics, there is slight micro marring left over from the compounding step. Considering the severity of the defects removed one would expect some residual micro marring. This can be easily cleaned up with a medium polishing step.

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Again, slight micro marring left over – just a little but more residual micro marring as compared to the OHC. But, again one would expect this from a compound capable of removing the defects shown and this can be easily cleaned up with a medium polishing step.

Now that we have established a negligible delta in residual micro marring post compounding when using the same liquid/pad/machine combination, let’s take a look at the afters one after the other to better compare the correction achieved.

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As shown above:

• The correction ability of these two buffing compounds is very comparable. I would not say the difference in cut is noticeable on this paintwork.

• The post compounding micro marring is slightly less with the OHC. With that said, both will require a medium polishing step to remove this micro marring.



Below are the results when these same two buffing liquids are paired with the Flex 3401 machine and cyan Hydro Tech LC pad.

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The OHC when paired with the hydro pad and Flex machine left considerably more micro marring with only a negligible increase in correction when compared to the OHC/GG/Megs MF disc combo

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Once again, the amount of correction achieved when the only difference is the buffing liquid (OHC vs. M105) is negligible. The post compounding micro marring is just slightly less with the OHC but again, considering a follow up step will be needed with either liquid this should not be a deal breaker.

Next I will show show the afters one after the other with each pad/liquid/machine combination:

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Summary:

Both buffing liquids have comparable cut and only a slight edge in the severity of post compounding micro marring goes to OHC.

The main differentiators between these two buffing liquids are:

• Dust: OHC produces little to no dust as compared to M105 that produces a considerable amount of dust
• Work time: M105 has a relatively short working cycle while OHC has a long cycle time before the lubricants are exhausted. This is neither a pro nor a con for either and is really more of what the individual or the paintwork type prefers.
 
Re: Deep Gloss Auto Salon Test: Optimum Hyper Compound vs M105

whats the best way to clean the mf pads when useing the spray compound?
thanks for the review to
 
Re: Deep Gloss Auto Salon Test: Optimum Hyper Compound vs M105

I am assuming you are using the paste version, correct?

Nice review.
 
Re: Deep Gloss Auto Salon Test: Optimum Hyper Compound vs M105

whats the best way to clean the mf pads when useing the spray compound?
thanks for the review to

I wasn't using the spray but, either way you have a few options to clean the MF discs

  1. Compressed air
  2. A honeycomb bug sponge
  3. A brush such as a pad cleaning brush - a nail brush also works very well
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I am assuming you are using the paste version, correct?

Nice review.

Yep, paste

:props:
 
Re: Deep Gloss Auto Salon Test: Optimum Hyper Compound vs M105

Nice test!

Which optimum liquids are you using? The new formula optimum compound II, or the optimum hyper compound spray?

I've said all along that the Cyan HT doesn't finish as well as it's touted to(on some paints). This test proves me correct.
 
Re: Deep Gloss Auto Salon Test: Optimum Hyper Compound vs M105

Nice comparison. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

Do you consider the paint you worked on to be soft, average or hard?
 
Would love to see a similar test between M105 with it's smat abrasives and Power Gloss with it's diminishing.

:)

Great work though, I liked the looks of the GG work more than the rotary. Go figure. :)
 
Nice comparison, writeup, and summery! Thanks for spending the time to put this all together and posting....:props:
 
Another :dblthumb2: for the Megs DA Microfiber Correction System. Continues to impress, regardless of the product being used.

I seriously doubt we have even come close to finding new ways to utilize this system to its full potential.
 
Re: Deep Gloss Auto Salon Test: Optimum Hyper Compound vs M105

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Thanks for the great writeup and Test! This is very helpful to me as I've been curious of the Optimum polishes.


Nice test!

I've said all along that the Cyan HT doesn't finish as well as it's touted to(on some paints). This test proves me correct.

I have to disagree :) It proves that the one other person gets these results. No offense meant in anyway. Completely sincere! If you saw my face you know I'm not being wise. I'm also not saying you are wrong. All Im saying is on every paint I've tackled with the Flex 3401+Cyan HT+M105 I have never had results with that much marring. Not even close.

:cheers:
 
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I have to disagree :) It proves that the one other person gets these results. No offense meant in anyway. Completely sincere! If you saw my face you know I'm not being wise. I'm also not saying you are wrong. All Im saying is on every paint I've tackled with the Flex 3401+Cyan HT+M105 I have never had results with that much marring. Not even close.

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No offense taken. I've experienced this, obviously Deep Gloss did, and 911fanaftic(Ken) told me the HT's finish horrible for him as well. Note, I did say on "some paints". :)
 
Interesting test. I was thinking of trying the spray version of Optimum's Hyper Compound at some point as I didn't like all of the dusting of m105. That being said, I used m105 + GG DA polisher + LC Flat orange pad and was really suprised at how well it finished down on a subaru legacy. It was my first time polishing, so I'm sure I was missing minor defects, but the finish looked great. I then used m205 and I didn't really notice a change in the finish as compared to how it looked after just m105. With those results, it makes dealing with the dust a minor issue.

How does the spray compound compare to the paste?
 
Thank you for doing this review! I think you did a very good job at representing both products.

For those who were asking about the Hyper Compound, Compound II (paste) now has more cut than the Hyper...but we are always testing and improving our formulas so stay tuned.
 
No offense taken. I've experienced this, obviously Deep Gloss did, and 911fanaftic(Ken) told me the HT's finish horrible for him as well. Note, I did say on "some paints". :)

Ive finished nearly LSP ready with the cyan pad on my rotary. I dont know if i could get the same results with a DA but with my rotary ive achieved awesome results with the cyan pad. I noticed that the cyan pad seem to like pressure. I wasent getting the results i wanted with the cyan pad with just medium pressure. Onced i applied pressure everything worked flawlessly with m105!
 
Ive finished nearly LSP ready with the cyan pad on my rotary. I dont know if i could get the same results with a DA but with my rotary ive achieved awesome results with the cyan pad. I noticed that the cyan pad seem to like pressure. I wasent getting the results i wanted with the cyan pad with just medium pressure. Onced i applied pressure everything worked flawlessly with m105!
Oscar,

I've never tried Cyan pads on a rotary, but Ken(911finatic) whom I trust a lot said HT's work best with a rotary, hence, your good results.
 
Sorry for any confusion :doh:- this test was conducted using Optimum Compound II (paste)

Nice test!

Which optimum liquids are you using? The new formula optimum compound II, or the optimum hyper compound spray?

I've said all along that the Cyan HT doesn't finish as well as it's touted to(on some paints). This test proves me correct.

Thanks Mark.

Apologies for being misleading on that.... I used the Optimum Compound II paste for this.

I normally do not get this much marring with the Cyan HT's but on this particular paint what you see is what I got

Nice comparison. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

Do you consider the paint you worked on to be soft, average or hard?

My pleasure... The paint was of medium hardness


Nice comparison, writeup, and summery! Thanks for spending the time to put this all together and posting....:props:

No problem - glad you found it of value

Another :dblthumb2: for the Megs DA Microfiber Correction System. Continues to impress, regardless of the product being used.

I seriously doubt we have even come close to finding new ways to utilize this system to its full potential.


Agreed

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Thanks for the great writeup and Test! This is very helpful to me as I've been curious of the Optimum polishes.




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No problem Corey....

Interesting test. I was thinking of trying the spray version of Optimum's Hyper Compound at some point as I didn't like all of the dusting of m105. That being said, I used m105 + GG DA polisher + LC Flat orange pad and was really suprised at how well it finished down on a subaru legacy. It was my first time polishing, so I'm sure I was missing minor defects, but the finish looked great. I then used m205 and I didn't really notice a change in the finish as compared to how it looked after just m105. With those results, it makes dealing with the dust a minor issue.

How does the spray compound compare to the paste?

I, like you, just dealt with the dust. With such great cutting power and finishing ability it was just something that came along with it. I also was aware of the fact that afterall, we are compounding and dust is just something that comes along with the teritorry. OCII proved me wrong on that one with cut equal to (some say better on some paint) and little to no dusting.

This was the paste

Thank you for doing this review! I think you did a very good job at representing both products.

For those who were asking about the Hyper Compound, Compound II (paste) now has more cut than the Hyper...but we are always testing and improving our formulas so stay tuned.

No problem Chris, Dr G hit this one out of the park!:buffing:
 
Ive finished nearly LSP ready with the cyan pad on my rotary. I dont know if i could get the same results with a DA but with my rotary ive achieved awesome results with the cyan pad. I noticed that the cyan pad seem to like pressure. I wasent getting the results i wanted with the cyan pad with just medium pressure. Onced i applied pressure everything worked flawlessly with m105!

HT's on a rotary vs DA are two completely different animals so I agree with you
 
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