detailing without insurance

Insurance is not to protect your customers car but to protect yourself....

I tell ya' what, I've got a G35 that I'll let somebody detail and I swear I didn't spill any alcohol on the clear bra! :rolleyes: Pssssttt it only costs $600 to pull it off and put a new one on.... I SWEAR that's cheaper than insurance, REALLY! :rolleyes:

Comon'... it'll be OK, mama will take care of it. ;)
 
If you get a dandy of a customer, they'll get you for the actual damage, emotional distress and time without a car to get that car fixed.
 
I don't understand how bad a damage can be made for it to cost $300k? I mean burning paint with a rotary on a single panel won't cost more then $5000.. But then again, the worst can happen like lights falling down, right?
Read my rely all the way through first before you comment. First it doesn't say cost 300k to get fixed says a 300k car to get fixed.
A couple grand in the bank not going to cover that.
 
If you don't plan on doing more the $500 in damage to any vehicle you touch then just make sure you keep a few hundred dollars handy for any accidents. I just had an oops with a client's car and the cost to repair is less than $100 which is $400 less than my deductible. So you can figure out what I'll do on this one. It's nice to know that if something ever happens well into the thousands of dollars that I'll only be out of pocket about $1000 including my premium/deductible. I think better insurance in my situations is having an acquaintance that's a painter.:)
Usually staying within your comfort zone with your equipment will insure you don't have an oops. Also, being very attentive of your equipment's condition,your environment/surroundings, and the task at hand, helps mitigate oops moments.
OP, it's your call and your money either way.

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You use a certain chemical and the customer comes and picks up her car with her 5 year old son in the back seat, on the way home the son has an asthma attack and dies. The lady gets a lawyer and they decide the chemicals you used contributed to her sons death and they sue you. Do you really think you have enough money on hand to cover the value of her 5 year old baby boy? This can't happen right? Better get insurance this could ruin your whole life.
 
You use a certain chemical and the customer comes and picks up her car with her 5 year old son in the back seat, on the way home the son has an asthma attack and dies. The lady gets a lawyer and they decide the chemicals you used contributed to her sons death and they sue you. Do you really think you have enough money on hand to cover the value of her 5 year old baby boy? This can't happen right? Better get insurance this could ruin your whole life.

Wow! Never thought of it like that. Makes me feel even better about having insurance. If you make any decent money detailing then is well worth the +-$500 a year that has the potential to save you over $1M, plus your sanity.
With the thought of possibly being sued for a child's death I think I will look into Legal Shield.

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Or, maybe think of it this way:

What would you say when a potential customer asks..."Do you have insurance?"
 
I'd argue that if you have customers, you need insurance, whether its considered a hobby, or you do it for income.

Imagine a polisher falling out of your hands right onto the hood, or something falling over like a halogen light into the door, or you tripping on something and the polisher goes flying into the car.

So many things can happen that you don't even think about in the excitement of thinking about detailing other people's cars.
 
No offense silvrfox, but those are small potatoe concerns. The cost of burning someone's garage done cause you had a faulty extension cord or the halogen was left on too close to something combustible would cost serious money that most can't afford out of pocket. If you ever plan on working in someones facility, garage, warehouse or what have you, then it will help you and the customer rest easy.
In any account it is a small premium to pay for such coverage. Too many variables in life.:)

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Small potatoes...big potatoes...doesn't matter...once something bad happens, word gets out....even something small can railroad your business.

Example...we all know people like my friend Joe(not his real name)...when he gets upset over ANYTHING bad that happens to his car...whether its brakes or oil change spilling oil on his engine, or even the guy filling his gas tank and spills gas on his car...he tells EVERYBODY about it...and some of them tell somebody, etc.

Bad PR (by not being insured) can be just as bad as burning down a garage.
 
I have insurance for my business and its only $28 a month through State Farm. It covers any damage I do to the car or if its stolen it also covers all my supplies. Even if your doing it part time not having insurance is just stupid.

I have my boat insurance through Statefarm,ut when I tried to get them to quote me a Garagekeepers policy the agent told me that they did not quote such aa policy. Maybe its just a North Carolina thing.
 
Another thing OP, do you have homeowners insurance? If so I would contact them and see what would be covered under you current policy. Just for everyone's knowledge, I smashed into a car while riding my rode bike and did about $2500 in damage to a girl's Scion Tc. I first called to see if my auto policy might cover something and the person suggested my HO policy And transferred me to HO claims. Needless to say I didn't have to come out of pocket for something most people don't know they have a policy the covers such things. Would be wise to call and ask, can't hurt at the least. Fyi I have USAA, and they look out for clients better than most companies; their not top 5 in the world for nothing:)

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If your current insurance provider doesn't offer a specialty insurance they usually can give you the name of companies to look into. If not, contact an independent insurance agency that finds companies for you(can't think of the word for it). I have an agent at G.F. Walls and they got me a policy with Alfa Insurance. I don't know that you can contact Alfa directly but they have good pricing. They probably cover N.C. as they are out of Glen Allen, VA.

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I know what you are saying silverfox, just that even with insurance if damage is less than your deductible you will probably be dealing with it on your own so that $1M liability coverage won't mean much at that time. It does give my clients a warm and fuzzy though when I say I am insured. Just doesn't matter IMO if I pay out of pocket for having a bumper repaired. Just saying. So, you still need to have money set aside for the deductible and or small incidents.
Something I don't think has been mentioned is that insurance needs to be an expense that is included when figuring your pricing and what you need to make per hour/per job; just like adding in the cost for fuel, electricity, and water. Health and supplemental insurance are some others to think about as well.

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can you get insurance for a part time business without having a business license like a LLC or something along those lines?

You can get insurance for *insurance* these days. Insurance is nothing but one side gambling with another as to if or if not, something will happen. For instance, say you are sponsoring an outdoor concert where rain would ruin the event. You can buy insurance that'll pay you if it freaking rains! It'll be something like if it rains more than ¼" within a specified time you get paid $XXX. Literally, you can get paid $50K for a rainstorm. BUT... if it doesn't rain, or doesn't rain hard enough, fast enough, you get nothing (and still pay the premium). IE; it's a gamble.

I read a post by someone stating they never bothered with insurance. I think they detailed for a couple years and never had an issue. And also that he had an extra account for such cases that would cause for him to pay some damage. No insurance and no accidents. Saved himself a couple Gs

And I ran a towing business for 18 years without ever having a "loss run" claim. Never had any damage to a customers car that was caused by towing or transport. Does that mean I should have never had any insurance? Just one claim would have eat up YEARS worth of premiums, not months, but YEARS! How would saving a few pennies here and there have helped? Considering the bulk of my business was either for insurance companies, or in Hi-Line cars I'd have been NUTS not to protect myself.

I don't understand how bad a damage can be made for it to cost $300k? I mean burning paint with a rotary on a single panel won't cost more then $5000.. But then again, the worst can happen like lights falling down, right?

That was a *car* that cost $300K, not 'damage' that cost $300K. ;) Let's say YES, you caused damage to the hood on a $300,000 car or for that matter a $30,000 car. Just because the damage is confined to the hood, the REPAIR effects the entire vehicle.

Say the ($300K) car needs the hood painted and by default they most likely will blend to the front fenders. And let's also say that the paint repair can indeed be done for $5000 total. Do you think that is the end of it? And don't expect the owner to let you take it down to your buddies place where he works on the weekend picking up extra cash as a painter. :rolleyes: If is MY car it's going to the most expensive place in town!

By painting the car you have now diminished the value of it. It is NOT as it came from the factory, it is no longer "original". NOW it's a wrecked and repaired car. The value of the car is now less than it was before you touched it. Doesn't matter if it's a rare collectable or a $30,000 daily driver. Heard of CARFAX, repairs do show up there (albeit not all of them, but depends on who reports them when it's not an insurance claim).

Ask your insurance company about "diminished value" and see what they say. (If you're trying to claim it they may say they have no idea what it is, BUT THEY ARE LYING!) The truth is, in a lot of states, when a car has been repaired you can ask for, AND SHOULD GET a check not only for the price of the repair BUT for diminished value, (especially if it's a fairly new car, a high priced car, a classic car, a collectable car (no matter what the dollar value) and so on. And none of this even addresses damages that you can be asked to pay for like time lost from work, extra transportation, meals, lodging, and the list goes on.

See where this goes far beyond just "paint damage"? I didn't even mention the other stuff, catastrophic damages and the like. God forbid something that bad happen. So NO, to think that sitting on a few grand in the bank to pay for a respray will help you out when you are faced with a WTF situation is going to be the end of it, well.... I don't think so. :o

Later,
Cardaddy
 
I got a quote of 1000 a year for basic liabilty coverage for a small homebased auto detailing business in NYC. Does that seem about right for a part time detialing business?
 
Which insurance company do you have? That is for general liability umbrella or garage keepers?
State Farm and its both it covers if I Damage the car,stuff is stolen and if any damage happens to the garage. Its up to a million dollars.
 
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