Disappointed with collinite 845. All hazy! Any advice?

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I was looking for a new option from Zaino. Not a fan of the zfx and clear seal. So i decided to do a full detail and paint correction on my black mustang. First m105 then m205 then Amiga then collinite. I also did a small hood section with zaino and the roof half zaino half collinite with no Amiga under. Right away with a bright light 845 was better shine then zaino. First day in sun was incredible. I get home and hours later I see haze everywhere but zaino. I clean the car then detail mist the car and everything awesome. Next day same thing. Detail it again and haze a day later. I also did another car. Zaino, meguiars ultimate and 845. I applied the collinite very very thin and it was warmed up. Looked so good. 3 days later haze all on the collinite areas. None on the others. Washing doesn't remove. Only detail mist with some good rubbing. I so want to love this stuff. So easy on and off. Great shine at first. I just can't deal with the haze though.
 
I know you said you applied the 845 thin, but from your description it sound like you applied too heavy. Sounds like you are getting...um...what did we used to call that? Sweating.

Also M205 is a very oily polish, there may be some residues from that that could interfere, particularly I would think with the Zaino.
 
This sounds like what some have experienced with #845, the sweating. I've not ever experienced it on any vehicle I used it on, and it's been numerous vehicles over the years.

Not sure if such was caused by any interactions from other products, the polishes, or that Amigo is it called, that's a glaze, correct?

Not sure why you would then need a glaze after polishing? Again, that might also be causing some havoc? Not sure.

Not sure if it's specific weather conditions which causes this colly sweating or what? Others might know better than I.

About all I can say is that if such a product is knocking you through a hoop on this specific vehicle, looks like you'll have to drop it, and switch to something else.

There's 100's of other great products and combos out there.
 
I might ask what were the qualities you didn't like about Zaino? Hard removal, hard sterile shine, doesn't last, what may I ask?

May I ask what type of look would you prefer, a glassy shine with very hard sharp reflections, or a warmer nuba look and glow?
 
I’ve never had the issue either, and I’ve applied 845 as an LSP to 5 different vehicles a total of approximately 10-15 times. However, I have experienced a similar issue years ago when I went too heavy on NXT.

Would a cleaner wax fix this issue, then go back with a different LSP? Wonder if you got a bad batch. I’d contact Collinite.

Keep us posted on this issue.
 
I've used zaino exclusively for 15 years. In general it has worked great. Maybe shine is a bit boring. I always had silver cars so better shine didn't matter. Now I have a black and charcoal and was looking for more wet look and only driven on nice days. I dont like the zxf mixing. I used to like the old z1 method.
The first black car I polished I used the Amiga because the polishing has gone about as far as I want to go. Paint is now very flat with small imperfections left. Amiga did great as a little filler. Made the black blacker. I didn't think m205 has any oils. The paint is sweaky clean after use.
Also the first black car I used 845 on I washed in dawn. The roof I did no paint correction or Amiga. Just applied straight 845. That area hazed just as much. I will admit the first application was cool and 845 was a little thick and didn't apply thin enough. But detail spraying the car 3 times to a perfect shine and it still comes back a day in sun. The second car I applied very thin and the 845 was very fluid on a warmer day. 3 little dots to do half the car. It spreads incredibly easy and far. Comes off so easy too. No prep to this car other the dawn to wash off last year's zaino. I swear 845 made the metallic pop best. Awesome in the sun. Next day a light hazy. Less then the hazy issue on the black car but still noticeable. A wipe with my finger takes it off. It really is annoying to worry about perfect conditions and application or I'm wiping it clean for days later. I mean every single inch this is on it gets hazy. I would think by accident I would apply thin enough somewhere since I really could barely see where I applied it the second car. Then I see some apply 2 coats. As I wash the car I can feel it is more slippy then the zaino side. Even while removing the 845 side is a bit slicker. I love everything else about 845. I will get in touch with collinite and see what they say. I didn't see anything special with meguiar's ultimate paste. Might end up sticking with zaino or try duragloss products. But with these dark cars now I might like the wax blow best.
 
I would try Collinite 325 ( cleaner wax ) to get any contaminates off the paint then apply 845 to see if that works. It is all in the same family so maybe it will cure your issue. I did have some hazing after using Collinite 870 on Silver but disappeared after applying 476s on top of it. That was before 325 was released.

Dave
 
I used 845 for years on my boat and my car, and generally got good results. However I have had a haze like you are talking about once or twice, it was always because the surface was not Pristine, but contaminated with something. It is imperative that 845 go right against clean virgin paint decontaminated with Carpro eraser, IPA, etc.

All that being said, it was'nt worth to me having to buff it off and get it out of my badges and crannies, So I switched to clear sealants, like crystal seal or Ultima paint guard. Much happier now. Wipe on, walk away.
 
Could be the surfactans left by the dawn soap that makes it haze. Try an ipa wipe down or a panel wipe product to be safe that you get a clean surface to apply to. Wonder if not a polish would be the best way to get the zaino off. The effectiveness of dawn has been up before and maybe to a LSP on it's end would effective. But the surfactans left by dawn even if heavy rinsed often stays some on the paint. A aggressive tar remover or a paint prep product that painters use is an effective chemical cleaners. But with a thick and newly applyied LSP a polish is needed to get a bare paint.
 
I agree with the others who said that something under the Collinite might be the issue - either the Dawn, glaze, etc. I have not been using 845 long but I always do an IPA wipedown and a paint cleaner (Pinnacle cleansing lotion) prior to applying 845.
 
TW557 said:
I was looking for a new option from Zaino. Not a fan of the zfx and clear seal. So i decided to do a full detail and paint correction on my black mustang. First m105 then m205 then Amiga then collinite. I also did a small hood section with zaino and the roof half zaino half collinite with no Amiga under. Right away with a bright light 845 was better shine then zaino. First day in sun was incredible. I get home and hours later I see haze everywhere but zaino. I clean the car then detail mist the car and everything awesome. Next day same thing. Detail it again and haze a day later. I also did another car. Zaino, meguiars ultimate and 845. I applied the collinite very very thin and it was warmed up. Looked so good. 3 days later haze all on the collinite areas. None on the others. Washing doesn't remove. Only detail mist with some good rubbing. I so want to love this stuff. So easy on and off. Great shine at first. I just can't deal with the haze though.
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As other posters have mentioned use 845 and any other collinite waxes THINLY. In the past I had a lot of issues with collinite waxes with rehazing and oily holograms in the paintwork on my black car, one solution to get it thin is to wet your applicator with a couple of spritzes of distilled water. If you already havent done so, get that 845 out of the original bottle and pour it into a dispenser bottle and place a couple of drops of the product per panel (hood and roof can be considered as two panels) Work in small sections (1/4 panels at a time) let the product fully haze and wipe off. Make sure it isnt leaving any oily residue by checking with a bright flashlight. After buffing it off I usually come back after a couple of hours and give it a final buff with a plush (400GSM +) microfibre towel to remove any residual oils (again, consantly check for these oils with a bright flashlight, theyll look like holograms in the paint). If youre still having problems do a test on your hood as follows;
1. separate your hood into 3 equal areas.
2. one separated section will only be prepped with the 105 and 205 combo and then apply 845
3. the next one will be prepped with 105, 205 and amigo and then apply 845
4. the last section is your control, prep with 105 and 205 then remove the polishing oils with a thorough IPA wipedown and then apply 845

If they all yield the same result then it could come down to the temperature. Ive had this issue in very hot temps, again... applying THIN helps.

-James
 
I have been told once that many dish soaps contain Silicones. That this is what gives your dishes that nice shiny reflective see your face look. I was told this in relation to LP Record Cleaning, that Diluted Dish Soaps which many used on the cheap wasn't an optimal product.

You say "small imperfections", but all of us don't know what sort-type? Hazing, Marring, Sleeks or other damage not removed by your polishing attempts? Above paint contaminants, that maybe Claying might help, or address?

One of the nicest products you'll ever find, gives a jaw dropping, and dripping candy apple wet look, is pretty durable, and works well on any color I've tried it upon, was Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0. Compliment it after, or after washing with Pinnacle Crystal Mist Detailer Spray for a killer 1-2 punch.

I've used Zaino in the past, mostly Z2. I liked WGDGPS 3.0 immensely better in all regards.
 
I've had Collinite sweating issues in the past when the outside ambient air temps are above 95*. Of course I was working on a cool car inside a shady garage, but the air temps were around 105*. I stopped using it in the AZ summertime due to that. I've done 20+ cars with 845 / 476 / 915 but have this trouble only when it is hot out.
 
I think all bets are off on wax/sealant performance if you're applying them over a glaze. There's no way to know what could or would happen. With that stuff on there now I think the best approach is to use a coating/sealant prep polish to ensure the surface is ready to accept a sealant. You could use finishing polish, but then you likely need a panel wipe to remove polishing oils.

Dawn may or may not be causing a problem. I would use a car wash soap.
 
Also you can use Duragloss 601 in place of the z1 you used to use. I’m sure it will bring back memories

That sweating can happen when you apply over another hydrophobic product too


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845 haze caused by one of (or combination of) temp./type of coating and condition of paint/heavy application. Only way to avoid problems with all three is to place bottle of wax in sun or hot water to create a liquid, almost spray wax consistency. Then place wax in mister bottle, not spray bottle - it must be a mister. Use as a spray wax, one section at a time so that high temperature and humidity become non factors. Wipe on wipe off like a spray wax or QD. No problems with haze and no cure time required if misted and buffed in. WOWO eliminates the temp/humidity factor and the over application factor. May not have the same longevity as with traditional application which requires a bit of a haze to cure and the use of machine to facilitate but it is still good for two, maybe three months this way. Only possible problem would be if last lsp was not removed with abrasive correction or chemical paint cleanser and it is totally not compatible with 845, which finding such an lsp that fights 845 to this extent is a rarity.
 
I will need to try a few of experiments and control sections. I did sort of do that with some areas only washed, washed and compounded and washed compound and Amiga. Two different cars different days. One spot I did zaino over top and it must have removed 845 because no haze at all. I will try a dampened applicator also. It seems like it always needs a day in the sun to bring it out. Now it's dusty and don't like to buff after dusty unless wash again. Thanks for all the idea to try before I give up on this.
 
TW557 said:
I was looking for a new option from Zaino. Not a fan of the zfx and clear seal. So i decided to do a full detail and paint correction on my black mustang. First m105 then m205 then Amiga then collinite. I also did a small hood section with zaino and the roof half zaino half collinite with no Amiga under. Right away with a bright light 845 was better shine then zaino. First day in sun was incredible. I get home and hours later I see haze everywhere but zaino. I clean the car then detail mist the car and everything awesome. Next day same thing. Detail it again and haze a day later. I also did another car. Zaino, meguiars ultimate and 845. I applied the collinite very very thin and it was warmed up. Looked so good. 3 days later haze all on the collinite areas. None on the others. Washing doesn't remove. Only detail mist with some good rubbing. I so want to love this stuff. So easy on and off. Great shine at first. I just can't deal with the haze though.
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I used to get something like that with synergy which is a hard wax. Worst thing ever. Did the haze look like buffer trails?
 
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