Do you Pre-Soak : Pre-Foam and Why

In the winter around here in New England, it is necessary to presoak to get the salt and grit off of the surface.
When it’s not winter I foam because foam is fun. It’s usually foamy Fridays around here in the summer.
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I've become a big fan of pre-washing. Now that I understand how important it is, I've been using one ever since. I've tried a few and BH Touchless has been my go to.

Cleaning power does seem to correlate with pH. It's not entirely based on pH, as the chemistry has other elements within it that help clean (certain surfactants etc.), but the common denominator is higher pH (or lower).

How do you think creating your own pre-wash would be vs using something like a BH Touchless? I've considered trying Multi-X or any decent APC to Reset as my pre-wash. Could be more economical in a way. I know Brian from APEX and Sandro like Multi-X and have added some to their bucket wash. Sandro may have used Lift now that I think about it.

What got me thinking about this is despite coatings having a pH tolerance range of 3-14, hitting them with a high pH pre-wash regularly should in theory weaken the coating. I can't see how it wouldn't unless the dirt is providing a barrier to the coating and therefore the coating isn't taking the brunt of it.

That led me to start thinking about using a lower treat rate, or more diluted pre-wash that would still be effective, but fall in a safer pH zone for prolonged coating durability. OR, just going back to a good ceramic spray sealant applied periodically.
 
CleanIT said:
I've become a big fan of pre-washing. Now that I understand how important it is, I've been using one ever since. I've tried a few and BH Touchless has been my go to.

Cleaning power does seem to correlate with pH. It's not entirely based on pH, as the chemistry has other elements within it that help clean (certain surfactants etc.), but the common denominator is higher pH (or lower).

How do you think creating your own pre-wash would be vs using something like a BH Touchless? I've considered trying Multi-X or any decent APC to Reset as my pre-wash. Could be more economical in a way. I know Brian from APEX and Sandro like Multi-X and have added some to their bucket wash. Sandro may have used Lift now that I think about it.

What got me thinking about this is despite coatings having a pH tolerance range of 3-14, hitting them with a high pH pre-wash regularly should in theory weaken the coating. I can't see how it wouldn't unless the dirt is providing a barrier to the coating and therefore the coating isn't taking the brunt of it.

That led me to start thinking about using a lower treat rate, or more diluted pre-wash that would still be effective, but fall in a safer pH zone for prolonged coating durability. OR, just going back to a good ceramic spray sealant applied periodically.
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I have fooled with adding an ounce or two of APC to my foam cannon for my initial foaming to boost performance and I have found that it generally cuts down on the viscosity of the foam and I honestly couldn't see any benefit

I have never tried adding APC to my bucket but I think I might try that to give my shampoo more "bite"
 
CleanIT said:
I've become a big fan of pre-washing. Now that I understand how important it is, I've been using one ever since. I've tried a few and BH Touchless has been my go to.

Cleaning power does seem to correlate with pH. It's not entirely based on pH, as the chemistry has other elements within it that help clean (certain surfactants etc.), but the common denominator is higher pH (or lower).

How do you think creating your own pre-wash would be vs using something like a BH Touchless? I've considered trying Multi-X or any decent APC to Reset as my pre-wash. Could be more economical in a way. I know Brian from APEX and Sandro like Multi-X and have added some to their bucket wash. Sandro may have used Lift now that I think about it.

What got me thinking about this is despite coatings having a pH tolerance range of 3-14, hitting them with a high pH pre-wash regularly should in theory weaken the coating. I can't see how it wouldn't unless the dirt is providing a barrier to the coating and therefore the coating isn't taking the brunt of it.

That led me to start thinking about using a lower treat rate, or more diluted pre-wash that would still be effective, but fall in a safer pH zone for prolonged coating durability. OR, just going back to a good ceramic spray sealant applied periodically.
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Are you presoaking in a pump sprayer or in a foam cannon?

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opie said:
Are you presoaking in a pump sprayer or in a foam cannon?

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I use a pump sprayer with Touchless. Works great. I use it before every wash. I'm going to use it until I run out of it. I may end up ordering v2 once I'm out.
 
CleanIT said:
I use a pump sprayer with Touchless. Works great. I use it before every wash. I'm going to use it until I run out of it. I may end up ordering v2 once I'm out.
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How often are you using Touchless?

I use Auto Foam with a IK 12 and I have backed way off on how often I use it

NEVER MIND

You stated it clearly above

I AM OLD
 
CleanIT said:
I use a pump sprayer with Touchless. Works great. I use it before every wash. I'm going to use it until I run out of it. I may end up ordering v2 once I'm out.
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Good you like that stuffand it works well for ya. I have half gallon of it left and have not used it in over a year. Lol

Never tried using a apc with or on its own

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Old Glory from Chem-X. Stuff seems potent.

www.chem-x.com

Old Glory: Touch Free Active Foam Vehicle Wash

The Story of Old Glory: A Revolution in Cleaning Like the legendary flag that earned its name through resilience and unity, Old Glory touch-free active foam stands as a testament to American innovation and strength. Just as Captain William Driver’s flag sailed the high seas and survived through...
www.chem-x.com www.chem-x.com
 
CleanIT said:
Old Glory from Chem-X. Stuff seems potent.

www.chem-x.com

Old Glory: Touch Free Active Foam Vehicle Wash

The Story of Old Glory: A Revolution in Cleaning Like the legendary flag that earned its name through resilience and unity, Old Glory touch-free active foam stands as a testament to American innovation and strength. Just as Captain William Driver’s flag sailed the high seas and survived through...
www.chem-x.com www.chem-x.com
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Was looking at this and Stars and Stripes. But for $180 for 20 washes came to my senses.

Have also been looking into Koch Chemie super Foam.


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