Dodge Magnum - Swirl Removal - Mothers Extreme Makeover
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Toymachine2009
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I think companies would get alot more sales if polishes such as the mothers line or Meguiars were in autostores.
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the problem is mass retailers rely on unit sales volume. they need things to move, and at a high velocity. while there is a market for the more hardcore stuff...the general public is more apt to buy the entry level stuff that you see on the shelf now from Meguiars and Mothers, along with the gimmicky stuff from companies like Eagle One, Turtle, Reed-Union, Kit, etc.
i do, however, think that it should all be available via WSO (warehouse special order), so, for instance, you can walk into an Advance Auto, order it, and have it there the next day because they have it in one of their regional distribution centers.
HOWEVER...i have no problem ordering from AG and at this point that's all i do for my stuff. the price is right, the service is great and it only takes a few days. shipping sucks, generally, but whatever - that's how the world turns. it always sucks, haha.
Toymachine2009
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Oh yea I know I dont have a problem ordering either its the ship time I have a problem with.. AG is in Florida I am clear across the other end of the country So I wait anywhere 7-10 days for a product.. the anticipation kills me.
One time from DetailedImage I ordered a product and it took 7 days to get here well on the 7th day FedEx broke the package before it got to my house so they shipped it back down to Florida (Where DetailedImage is) and I had to wait ANOTHER 7 days for shipping. 14 days I had to wait for an APC.. Shipping lately has been unreliable for me.
At the same time that happened. There was a Tornado in AZ and it knocked over a train well that train happened to have my Polishing Pads on it so that package ALSO got delayed and this package was from proper autocare.
One time from DetailedImage I ordered a product and it took 7 days to get here well on the 7th day FedEx broke the package before it got to my house so they shipped it back down to Florida (Where DetailedImage is) and I had to wait ANOTHER 7 days for shipping. 14 days I had to wait for an APC.. Shipping lately has been unreliable for me.
At the same time that happened. There was a Tornado in AZ and it knocked over a train well that train happened to have my Polishing Pads on it so that package ALSO got delayed and this package was from proper autocare.
forrest@mothers
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Some products (our Professional ones, for instance) aren't sold at retail because the consumer could damage the paint if used in an improper manner.
Some think all those words on the back label aren't important.
Products can be special ordered from a variety of retailers - NAPA, CarQuest among them - if you happen to be too far from Autogeek.
Some think all those words on the back label aren't important.
Products can be special ordered from a variety of retailers - NAPA, CarQuest among them - if you happen to be too far from Autogeek.
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Speaking about the Professional line what its the difference between the Machine Glaze and the Foam Pad polish? I received both products as well Rubbing Compound to try from Mothers. Your site states to use the Machine Glaze before the Foam Pad Polish. I find this odd because glazes are traditionally applied after a polish not before, so I am wondering does Machine Glaze have more correcting abilities than Foam Pad Polish (scratch and swirl, grit wise)? Also does Machine Glaze or Foam Pad Polish contain any fillers? Thanks
Mike would you say that using Foam Pad Polish leaves the finish almost as glossy as Menz 85RD? I have both so I am wondering if I should follow up with 85RD after Foam Pad Polish? One other question how does Foam Pad Polish compare to M205 which I also have in correcting abilities and finish. I am wondering because I don't have TSR. Thanks
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You say that they are non-diminishing products, now are you talking about just what was used in this thread (Foam Pad Polish) or are all of the professional line products using non-diminishing abrasives? If not all of them which products do use non-diminishing abrasives and which products are using traditional abrasives?
There is a local body shop supply store here in my area that carries the Mother's Professional Line so you may want to call around to some in your area if you need some in a pinch.
Also, Advance Auto Parts here in my area is carrying Meg's 105 and 205 on the shelf as well as some 8" Soft Buff pads so you may want to take a look at your local AAP store too. It is full price so ordering from AG would be a fore economical way of getting it but in a pinch, what's 10 more dollars?
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This is an age old problem and by this I mean the terms glaze and polish don't have any hard or fast strict definitions. There are companies that call their waxes polishes and there are companies that call their synthetic paint protectants polishes. There are companies that call their waxes glazes and there are companies that call their synthetic paint protectants glazes.
Most of us here on the forum consider a polish to contain abrasives that will remove below surface defects and glazes product applied to mask fine hairline scratches, but that doesn't mean that's how things are done in the world.
Someday they'll create the "Wax Police" and then levy a tax on wax products to fund the bureaucracy and that certainly won't make anyone happy and it still won't fix the problem.
Here's a chart on Mothers products and according to the chart the Glaze is in fact more aggressive than the Polish, so simply work inside the Mothers terminology and you can figure out which product to use in which order.
I'll let Forrest answer that but one thing I've seen over the years is the confusion over lubricating agents and fillers. It seems there's always a segement of people that don't understand you need "something" in a formula to lubricate the surface as it's being abraded so the paint is not simply scratched and scoured. We are after all trying to create "beauty".
While water is a lubricant, it's not as good as a lubricant as other substances like oils and that's why polish companies use different types of oils in their products to lubricate the surface instead of just water. Kind of like engine bearings are better lubricated with oil than water.
I would have to do a side by side comparison on black paint to give you a definitive answer and then that answer would only be specific to that paint system.
Online enthusiasts on detailing discussion forums tend and trend to be very D.O. and I take this into account when I type out any answers so for this reason without testing I don't want conjecture an answer. They are both "Finishing Polishes" or at least they are both in the "Finish Polish" category.
Do some testing and use a strip of painter's tape to mark off specific sections for you to do your side-by-side testing and then test both products on black or dark colored paints. Be sure to let us know what you find out. The Menzerna PO85RD is a top shelf finishing polish and can be used to benchmark against other products.
TSR in my opinion is more aggressive than M205, M205 is specifically formulated to be used AFTER M105 and something that most people don't understand is that correctly used, key word being correctly, M105 can finish out LSP ready or "almost" LSP ready depending upon each person's criteria for a show car finish.
The point being is that when used correctly, you don't need a follow-up polish with a lot of cut or correction ability, or abrading ability to refine the results achieved by the M105 and thus M205 doesn not offer a lot of cutting or abrading ability.
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover is based off of Menzerna Super Intensive Polish, which has more cut than M205
How one or both compare to Mother's Foam Pad Polish or Machine Glaze would require side-by-side testing on black paint with strict controls in place and that's a great project for someone interested in those kinds of results and the time and wherewithal to do the testing.
KISS = Keep It Simple Simon
People can make polishing paint as complicated or as easy as they like, it's really pretty simple,
- Wash the car
- Clay if needed
- Use the least aggressive product to remove the below surface defects
- Polish to a high gloss
- Seal the paint
forrest@mothers
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I think you're keying on the name more than the specified use of the product. In the products you mentioned, Machine Glaze has more correcting ability than Foam Pad Polish does. The name is irrelevant.
This is one of the reasons why our pro products aren't sold at retail - the confusion with names versus what the consumer thinks the product does.
I'm not sure about Foam Pad Polish, but Machine Glaze does not contain any fillers according to our guy who sells (and created) these products.
If you'd like the chart that shows product use in our pro line, shoot me an email and I'll send it on.
Mike thank you for your time and patience in answering my questions. I will defiantly let you know how Foam Pad Polish compares to 85RD finishing and clarity wise, since my vehicle is black with a hard clear coat. I'll masking up two areas and doing a side by side comparison of course after the panel has been corrected.
Forrest thanks for the help and clarification. I do not need the chart as I have seen it on the Mothers site and Mike posted it above but thank you for your help. I look forward to trying out Mothers Professional Line the next time I detail my vehicle. I watch Barrett Jackson and see that the vehicles are corrected and detailed using Mothers products, I am always impressed by the way the each vehicle comes out.
Forrest thanks for the help and clarification. I do not need the chart as I have seen it on the Mothers site and Mike posted it above but thank you for your help. I look forward to trying out Mothers Professional Line the next time I detail my vehicle. I watch Barrett Jackson and see that the vehicles are corrected and detailed using Mothers products, I am always impressed by the way the each vehicle comes out.
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You say that they are non-diminishing products, now are you talking about just what was used in this thread (Foam Pad Polish) or are all of the professional line products using non-diminishing abrasives? If not all of them which products do use non-diminishing abrasives and which products are using traditional abrasives?
forrest@mothers
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I asked the question about the balance of the line - I'll let you know when I get an answer.
forrest@mothers
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Okay - heard back. Keep in mind the same words have different meanings to different folks.
The only Mothers professional product with "fillers" is hand glaze, because that's what glazes are.
ANY abrasive will "diminish" with use as it abrades - due to heat, or friction, or several other reasons.
Our professional products do not use the technology you refer to as "diminishing" They use the standard non-diminishing type.
But, that doesn't mean they maintain their beginning size throughout their use.
Personally, I think folks get too wrapped up in the technology hype. As Mike has said on 10,000 occasions, find a product you like and use it. To me, that means buy it and make the decision yourself. Certainly you can listen to the comments of others who have used a product, but don't make a decision based simply on what you've read of others' experiences.
If you don't like the way it works, send it back for a refund. We stand behind our products, as do most manufacturers.
The only Mothers professional product with "fillers" is hand glaze, because that's what glazes are.
ANY abrasive will "diminish" with use as it abrades - due to heat, or friction, or several other reasons.
Our professional products do not use the technology you refer to as "diminishing" They use the standard non-diminishing type.
But, that doesn't mean they maintain their beginning size throughout their use.
Personally, I think folks get too wrapped up in the technology hype. As Mike has said on 10,000 occasions, find a product you like and use it. To me, that means buy it and make the decision yourself. Certainly you can listen to the comments of others who have used a product, but don't make a decision based simply on what you've read of others' experiences.
If you don't like the way it works, send it back for a refund. We stand behind our products, as do most manufacturers.
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Thanks for the reply on that. It seems that a lot of new cars are coming out with super hard clear coat these days and the last thing I need is another bottle of something that doesn't cut well on them or cuts way too slow. Since you put it that way I surely will pick some up and give it a try.