Does D151 need topped?
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brondondolon
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D151 has wax in it and from my experiece finishes off pretty nice. But its an AIO so you cant expect it to be as protective as 845. So its up to you if its worth the extra 30+ min
Firehouse Mike
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I give a quick wipe down with D156 afterwards. Gives a bit more pop to it i think and I can pick up any missed residue left behind.
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dcjredline
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No as Bob said, it does not need LSP. Good idea...maybe
It depends on if you care about your customers or not. People with think "It was just waxed" for at least 6 mos.
I never did a durability test on D151, but from what i've read it'll only last about a month or so. IMO that's not enough for my customers.. so I'll always either top with 845 or KHGSG.
The ONLY time i'll use an AIO as a lsp is if the customer is flipping the car.
I never did a durability test on D151, but from what i've read it'll only last about a month or so. IMO that's not enough for my customers.. so I'll always either top with 845 or KHGSG.
The ONLY time i'll use an AIO as a lsp is if the customer is flipping the car.
cardaddy
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Sure, it does just fine by itself, but I wouldn't expect durability over a couple weeks at best. (For an un-garaged daily driver.) For your typical customer, wash-n-wax I'd say top it with 156 or (my favorite) DG AquaWax. (Have both in gallons, but use AW 3:1 over 156.) I can tell you that AW durability (especially as it gets layered) can be 3~4 months.
Can you use something that has even more durability? SURE! But if they never need to come back then you're losing money. :dunno: For more durability you can always use any of a plethora of liquid waxes, be that 845, ULW, you name it.
Can you use something that has even more durability? SURE! But if they never need to come back then you're losing money. :dunno: For more durability you can always use any of a plethora of liquid waxes, be that 845, ULW, you name it.
dcjredline
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I have had one car 2004 Hyundai Elantra that the customer NEVER even washes her car and it is outside 24/7. Used D151 and about 4 months later when I saw the car again for a W&W I asked her if she was "cheating on me" and had someone else do something to it. She said no. The car was beading like mad. Ive not seen that since but it does last over a month for me usually.
conman1395
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You're diluting Aquawax? Why?
Joe@NextLevelDetail
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No point of using an AIO if your going to top it
cardaddy
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Noooooooooooo.... that's not what I said.
What I was saying was that I'll use Aquawax 3 times to 1 over Megs 156.
Yeah but D151, while *having* (what they call) "wax" in it, doesn't provide any real longevity. The real strength of 151 (and most all AIO's) is the ability to correct with one step as opposed to a multi-step process. For me... if I'm going to the trouble to break out a buffer and half a dozen pads, I just can't see not (at least) taking the time to hit it with some sort of spray wax/sealant. Better yet, a true sealant (but only of course if that's priced into a package).
And no point in using anything out there and topping it for that matter. Like say a sealant with #26, or a coating with a 'topper', or a sealant with a quality paste wax..... and the list goes on.
The reality however is that topping provides a better look, better shine, and better protection.
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DogRescuer
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I totally agree with this customers returning are important to me, that Xtra time you spend on that lsp over aio is well worth it.
DogRescuer
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I disagree, the aio will clean the paint some
HUMP DIESEL
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Noooooooooooo.... that's not what I said.
What I was saying was that I'll use Aquawax 3 times to 1 over Megs 156.
Yeah but D151, while *having* (what they call) "wax" in it, doesn't provide any real longevity. The real strength of 151 (and most all AIO's) is the ability to correct with one step as opposed to a multi-step process. For me... if I'm going to the trouble to break out a buffer and half a dozen pads, I just can't see not (at least) taking the time to hit it with some sort of spray wax/sealant. Better yet, a true sealant (but only of course if that's priced into a package).
And no point in using anything out there and topping it for that matter. Like say a sealant with #26, or a coating with a 'topper', or a sealant with a quality paste wax..... and the list goes on.
The reality however is that topping provides a better look, better shine, and better protection.
I hardly ever switch pads with an AIO. I used HD Speed on a large GMC truck, orange CCS pad and kept cleaning the pad with a brush.
The point of an AIO is to do "All-In-One" If you are using it as a step like a polish and then topping, then charge for a single step and topping.
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Not doing a multi-step, (or a 1.5 step for that matter). What I was saying was that if I'm breaking out pads, then I'll put something on top of the 151 as it just doesn't offer enough protection.
Now as for how many (of the same) pads I'll use.... that depends on how dirty the paint is, and how dirty it makes the pads(s). While I clean on the fly after each section pass, dirty paint will turn that orange CCS black fairly quickly. Just don't see the need to keep using the same one on the entire vehicle, when I have a dozen more sitting there. (Plus....as you know... we want to swap pads as the heat builds up inside them.)
But if we DO want to talk about a 1.5 step process.
For that.... I've used FG400 (to name one) and start with an orange pad, then switch to a white or blue pad. Not a true multi-step, but finishes better than a single step. :xyxthumbs:
conman1395
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Then why not use something like PF2500 or HD Adapt or something that may cut and finish better in one step and spray on a sealant.Not doing a multi-step, (or a 1.5 step for that matter). What I was saying was that if I'm breaking out pads, then I'll put something on top of the 151 as it just doesn't offer enough protection.
Now as for how many (of the same) pads I'll use.... that depends on how dirty the paint is, and how dirty it makes the pads(s). While I clean on the fly after each section pass, dirty paint will turn that orange CCS black fairly quickly. Just don't see the need to keep using the same one on the entire vehicle, when I have a dozen more sitting there. (Plus....as you know... we want to swap pads as the heat builds up inside them.)
But if we DO want to talk about a 1.5 step process.
For that.... I've used FG400 (to name one) and start with an orange pad, then switch to a white or blue pad. Not a true multi-step, but finishes better than a single step. :xyxthumbs:
I think that's the point they're trying to make.
cardaddy
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That's not what I read into it. What I read, was that he thought I was doing a pad change (cutting to lighter cutting and/or finishing) whilst using a single product.
Like I said... 151 is just one of the AIO's out there, that just happens to HAVE wax added into the product. Same thing with Menzerna AP060 "Finishing Wax" for that matter. Then when you start talking about compounding products you get to stuff like FG400, 1500, 2000, 2500 (as you've mentioned although I don't have that one but do have all the rest), D300 or D302 and even D301 (on some paints, but one would only work as AIO on hard paint, the other on soft, yet D301 ALSO has 'wax'), M205, M83, and a whole host of other products. Heck... I bet there are literally two dozen products that I already have sitting here that'd 'work' as an AIO as long as you're topping with some sort of sealant and/or spray wax. (Remembering that the conversation was initially about 151, which actually HAS wax.)