Does Dish Soap Really Strip wax?

Heisenberg said:
This is going to be a near-weekly thread until the end of time - no matter how many people do experiments or demonstrations.

In my experience Dawn just does exactly as Rasky said - leaves surfactants that inhibit water beading.
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And the logical reason for this is that as a dish soap (and maybe as a car wash) by causing the water to lay out in a flat sheet, it keeps you from getting water spots on your dishes.
 
Dawn actually rinses really well from the paint in my tests. So I'd say if you're starting with a product that is beading like mad and then you apply Dawn on top and now it's sheeting like unprotected paint after that first wash, I'm on the team that says we've most likely removed the product. But I have yet to see a full removal by Dawn.

Unprotected and polished paint behaves a similar way on all of the paints I've done the test with. I'll see water repellency after the first rinse, but it doesn't last beyond the first wash with soap or an extended rinse and I'll notice a very slow sheet form on the surface. So that's why a lot of my testing is based on seeing the water behavior before and then after that first wash and comparing that short term durability to other products. I have a video that shows this behavior here:


If you're noticing different behaviors let me know! I'm always wondering if my results are typical or unique to my environment.
 
That's true! I have been using Dawn dish soap more over the year, cause it's PERFECT!
Love the scent, which is hard for me to find since so many bother me. Also does the cleaning job with just a little bit of the product, so it goes a long way!
 
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Bob
 
I can't believe there is no way to test whether or not there is wax on paint? With all the chemists and so called scientists in this industry nobody has found a way to tell for sure? We can put a man on the moon but can't figure out whether or not a car has wax on it with 100% certainty?

Can't they do a swab test or something?
 
fightnews said:
I can't believe there is no way to
test whether or not there is wax
on paint?

With all the chemists and so called
scientists in this industry nobody has
found a way to tell for sure?

We can put a man on the moon but
can't figure out whether or not a car
has wax on it with 100% certainty?

Can't they do a swab test
or something?
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Car has Wax; car has no Wax?

100% certainty can be obtained
quite effortlessly, via the use of
an electron microscope (SEM).



Bob
 
FUNX650 said:
Car has Wax; car has no Wax?

100% certainty can be obtained
quite effortlessly, via the use of
an electron microscope (SEM).


Bob
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Get your SEM and end this debate, Bob.:xyxthumbs:
 
Bill1234 said:
I had read countless answers from both sides to this and really I feel if it cant dissolve your skin and it takes scrubbing to remove grease on plates and things, why could it dissolve or strip wax?

I am not a chemist and maybe some are here but what is your idea?
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Gasoline is the ultimate stripper. Installing letters on waxed cars dish soap doesn't do it.
 
It leaves a surfactant that temporary masks the hydrophobics
Beading and sheeting restore when it's evaporated..

Simple test..make a soapy bottle..add tiny slivers of paste wax..use a knife with serrations..that'll also make tiny pepper/salt size Dots of paste.

Watch paste wax/sealant not dissolve.

Same goes for other common products detailers mention like APC , tar/bug remover, IPA/panel wipe, fallout remover, degreaser etc
Majority of these products are pH balanced the others are slightly alkaline..
Only test I haven't done was a high alkaline like ph11-ph12

So far only 2 things I found that'll strip an LSP
One is Compound/polish
Number two is acid bath(works good as a clay substitute, works excellent as a fallout remover replacement)
 
The Guz said:
Show him that video. He also has another video where he demonstrates the new Meguiar's wash plus which contains microabrasives. It's the fusso wax video.
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Purchased wash plus+ due to that video..it's false
I scrubbed with it like I would manualy compound...initially beading along with sheeting was non existent..next morning it rained guess what? Beading was back..
Wash plus plus must have a surfactant..and it just takes a while for it to completely evaporate to restore hydrophobic properties of the LSP you thought you removed..
 
According to the Dawn msds it has a ph of 9 in a 10% aqueous solution. That's 13 oz per gallon. Anyone put that much in to wash a car?

I see people perfectly happy to spray 13 ph degreaser around the wheels and fender liners but a 9 ph (at heavy dilution) soap seems to be a big problem that will kill your car?
 
Mike@ShineStruck said:
Purchased wash plus+ due to that video..it's false
I scrubbed with it like I would manualy compound...initially beading along with sheeting was non existent..next morning it rained guess what? Beading was back..
Wash plus plus must have a surfactant..and it just takes a while for it to completely evaporate to restore hydrophobic properties of the LSP you thought you removed..
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Every time you post this I have to point out that clean and bare paint will bead water with nothing on it? What you say you are doing doesn't prove anything.
 
There was a thread about a year ago about this topic. The poster used colored wax on a white car so see if how it could be removed. The only way he managed to remove the wax was by polishing.

With that said, Dawn will remove some of the protective layer. So if you want to keep your wax or sealant intact, I would not use it. But being able to strip the protective layer completelly, that it will not do.
 
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