Don't you get love it when people say things like this?

[jankerson]

One of my relatives has a Rav4, black, BLACK....

Has done literally nothing to it for more than 4 years such as wax etc. since they have owned it.

Other than run it through car washes, and they live up North, way up North by the Great lakes.

Was told by them that the car looks great and even after another year or so once they trade it in even the dealer will say how good it looks.

I had a very hard time not laughing at them, really.

Lives too far from me to really take a look at it with my own eyes.

 

[acuRAS82]

One of my relatives has a Rav4, black, BLACK....

Has done literally nothing to it for more than 4 years such as wax etc. since they have owned it.

Other than run it through car washes, and they live up North, way up North by the Great lakes.

Was told by them that the car looks great and even after another year or so once they trade it in even the dealer will say how good it looks.

I had a very hard time not laughing at them, really.

Lives too far from me to really take a look at it with my own eyes.

Have them hold a flashlight from 2 feet away after a wash. Maybe you can give your thoughts back to them if the photo comes out clear enough.

 

[jankerson]

Have them hold a flashlight from 2 feet away after a wash. Maybe you can give your thoughts back to them if the photo comes out clear enough.

I doubt they would do it, they just don't care.

I did tell them to back it out in the sun and look right down at the hood with the sun shining on it.

Doubt they would even do that.

With that soft Toyota paint I can just imagine how bad it is.

 

[Big DaveBig Dave is verified member.]

Ever heard the saying "Ignorance is bliss"?

Let me ask you this, if you could go back to before you knew what swirls were, before your bionic detailing eye knew what to look for, would you do it?

My answer, no way.

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[jankerson]

Ever heard the saying "Ignorance is bliss"?

Let me ask you this, if you could go back to before you knew what swirls were, before your bionic detailing eye knew what to look for, would you do it?

My answer, no way.

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I knew what they were before I could even drive and that was a very long time ago now, more than 40 years.

I grew up around car people.

 

[Big DaveBig Dave is verified member.]

I knew what they were before I could even drive and that was a very long time ago now, more than 40 years.

I grew up around car people.

I am the first in my family, I've been trying to make them understand, but it's a tough job. At least my 80 year old Mum understands, she won't let anyone else touch her car. In fact I heard her tell someone, if you can't wash it properly, leave it dirty.

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[jankerson]

I am the first in my family, I've been trying to make them understand, but it's a tough job. At least my 80 year old Mum understands, she won't let anyone else touch her car. In fact I heard her tell someone, if you can't wash it properly, leave it dirty.

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Yes, it's tough, very tough to get through to them.

Most believe in that myth that with clear coat you don't have to do anything to the car.

And then there are those who just don't want to be bothered with it and or are just too cheap etc.

 

[acuRAS82]

Let me ask you this, if you could go back to before you knew what swirls were, before your bionic detailing eye knew what to look for, would you do it?

My answer, no way.

Heeeel nah. I would never go back. From the moment I bought my first 1989 Honda Accord in the late 90’s, I’ve treated all my cars as if they are my first or second most expensive possession, and the possession that gets my family, friends and I around safely and deserves to be pampered as a reward.

I had no clue about swirls and how to wash right, but I washed it constantly, slathered the interior in Armorall and used TW Hard Shell Wax or Cleaner Wax 3 or 4x a year because it’s how I knew to accomplish my goals at that time.

I consider everything I’ve learned since that time to be an improvement and maturation of my original attempt to reward my vehicles, and I look forward to continuing to learn things and get better. And along the way during all of this improved methods of car pampering, I learned that I thoroughly enjoy it. No going back, and the money/time spent is well worth it to me; for my sanity, mental health and personal enjoyment.

 

[Big DaveBig Dave is verified member.]

Heeeel nah. I would never go back. From the moment I bought my first 1989 Honda Accord in the late 90’s, I’ve treated all my cars as if they are my first or second most expensive possession, and the possession that gets my family, friends and I around safely and deserves to be pampered as a reward.

I had no clue about swirls and how to wash right, but I washed it constantly, slathered the interior in Armorall and used TW Hard Shell Wax or Cleaner Wax 3 or 4x a year because it’s how I knew to accomplish my goals at that time.

I consider everything I’ve learned since that time to be an improvement and maturation of my original attempt to reward my vehicles, and I look forward to continuing to learn things and get better. And along the way during all of this improved methods of car pampering, I learned that I thoroughly enjoy it. No going back, and the money/time spent is well worth it to me; for my sanity, mental health and personal enjoyment.

I know exactly where you're coming from. Been there, done that, probably making exactly the same mistakes.

There is a guy I see while walking my dogs, he has a 2 year old 370Z, only about 5k on it, only drives it on weekends. He really loves showing it off, it's in good condition, but I can see some swirls and water marks, but I won't tell him, I can tell he would get upset. If he was to ask me what I see, I might tell him, might not, but I'd guide him towards better methods, and better products.

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[jankerson]

I know exactly where you're coming from. Been there, done that, probably making exactly the same mistakes.

There is a guy I see while walking my dogs, he has a 2 year old 370Z, only about 5k on it, only drives it on weekends. He really loves showing it off, it's in good condition, but I can see some swirls and water marks, but I won't tell him, I can tell he would get upset. If he was to ask me what I see, I might tell him, might not, but I'd guide him towards better methods, and better products.

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Yeah, those types can be difficult.

Thinking they have been doing it right, pointing out stuff may backfire.

 

[FUNX650]

One of my relatives has a Rav4,
black, BLACK....

Has done literally nothing to it for
more than 4 years such as
wax etc. since they have owned it.

Other than run it through car washes,
and they live up North, way up North
by the Great lakes.

Was told by them that the car looks
great and even after another year or
so once they trade it in even the dealer
will say how good it looks.

I had a very hard time not laughing at
them, really.

Lives too far from me to really take
a look at it with my own eyes.

•I suppose I need to sign up for the
detailing classes where they teach this
kind of remote diagnosis.
-Which ones did you attend? oke:


FWIW:
•Up here in the North, by the Great Lakes,
the Wife and I will often use the Touchless
automatic car wash facilities during the
Winter season—even during the other three
Seasons :wowwow:—without the woes of swirl-infliction.
{The Touchlesses up by us are now lightyears
ahead of their previous embodiments.}

-Our wish is to have the road salts, that ODOT
spreads, to dwell upon our vehicles for as little
time as possible.

-Also, during the Winter season, other means
of car-washing such as: using Hose, Bucket(s),
Waterless Washes, Rinseless Washes, and
‘Hybrids’ are problematic, to say the least.


•To add:
-From my experiences, Dealerships don’t
give a good gahoot about any swirls during
their appraisals of trade-ins.


Bob

 

[briarpatch]

I have an older sister who drives a black Nissan. She is a 'car wash' person, although I've tried to fix that. The car is swirled beyond belief, but, when washed, looks great to her. It is all about perspective and expectations

 

[Craig Encinitas]

“My car is new. Why would I need it detailed?”

 

[Bill D]

I'm not going to even ask my neighbors if they want their new truck detailed. They use them like appliances and have them sit outside 24/7 even though they have a garage.

 

[Billy Baldone]

I have a black Hyundai Sonata with 3000 miles on it, in for a 1 step and 5 year coating. It looks like it has gone through the automatic wash twice a week for a year. During the consultation, i had them both promise to not go to the automatic car wash. They didn't know. But they wanted the swirls gone

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Was told by them that the car looks great and even after another year or so once they trade it in even the dealer will say how good it looks.

This,

The difference between a swirl and squirrel

 

[jankerson]

I'm not going to even ask my neighbors if they want their new truck detailed. They use them like appliances and have them sit outside 24/7 even though they have a garage.

My truck sits outside 24/7, garage only fits one car. So one is in the garage.


It doesn't take too long before things start going south.


Here in my neighborhood all the cars sit outside 24/7, about half have garages and still all the cars sit outside.

 

[PaulMys]

Click on Mike's article above.

There was some great discussion in that thread.

Like mentioned in this thread, some people just do not care about swirls in paint. And there is nothing you can do or say to make them care.

In fact, they act insulted and annoyed if you even bring it up.

Just understand that there are us 1%ers here on AGO, and the rest of the world (99%).

 

[glen e]

I actually don’t think there’s anything wrong with how they feel, many many people consider their car an appliance, nothing more, and if it’s not got mud all over it, it’s fine. I respect that. Detailing is our hobby, and on a hobby you’re far more involved than people that are not involved…

My wife is into dressmaking and being a seamstress, she can model something for me and I think it looks fine, she’ll point out 10 things wrong with it.....Because that’s her hobby…I’m totally blind to it.

It all depens on your perspective.

 

[PaulMys]

My wife is into dressmaking and being a seamstress, she can model something for me and I think it looks fine, she’ll point out 10 things wrong with it.....Because that’s her hobby…I’m totally blind to it.

It all depends on your perspective.

This is an excellent way to look at it. Exactly right.