Drywash - EcoSmart - Vid + Experience - B & B Detailing
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tuscarora dave
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Thanks for sharing the photos and video Anthony.
In my estimation and experience in speaking to the majority of my clientele, micro marring is an issue or problem only to those with a trained eye such as a paint polishing specialist.
A majority of the detailers in my area, whether it be a dealership detailer or a brick and mortar detail shop turn out work that "to my trained eyes" looks sub par. But yet, day in and day out people line their cars up around their buildings waiting for this quick service that "to my trained eye" doesn't fit within the scope of what I do as a service. I can tell you that there is not a line of cars waiting out in front of my shop, nor was the phone ringing off the hook with people wanting my service when I was strictly mobile.
I consider the folks that pay big money for full out "show car" paint corrections to be the 1%ers, then you have the 19%ers who want a real high quality wash and protection applied. Even these 19%ers don't see micro marring as we obsessive detailers do, that is until I point it out to them or until I do a test section polishing out just a fender on their vehicle. The other 80% are the customers lined up around the tunnel wash detailer's shops. They are either happy with the service they get from those places, or much like myself (before I realized that these forums existed) they know of nothing better.
I know in my heart that in order for me to tap into the "real earning potential" of the car care profession, I'd either have to reposition my location and marketing efforts directly in the middle of where the 1%ers and 19%ers are, or retrain my own mind not to be concerned with what my eyes see but rather what the 80%er customer sees as a valuable service.
The service that I offer is mainly self pleasing, but I can say honestly that 100% of my customers drove away feeling very pleased with the service as well but it doesn't tap into the "real earning potential" that is out there.
Having typed all that babble, I guess I could cater to the 80%ers, the 19%ers and the 1%ers but it makes me wonder if I'll begin to dislike my profession.
At this point in my car detailing venture, my concern is leaning toward pleasing my bank account more so than trying to "over-please" the untrained eyes of the public. I may have to look into selling more of the dry-wash services.
In my estimation and experience in speaking to the majority of my clientele, micro marring is an issue or problem only to those with a trained eye such as a paint polishing specialist.
A majority of the detailers in my area, whether it be a dealership detailer or a brick and mortar detail shop turn out work that "to my trained eyes" looks sub par. But yet, day in and day out people line their cars up around their buildings waiting for this quick service that "to my trained eye" doesn't fit within the scope of what I do as a service. I can tell you that there is not a line of cars waiting out in front of my shop, nor was the phone ringing off the hook with people wanting my service when I was strictly mobile.
I consider the folks that pay big money for full out "show car" paint corrections to be the 1%ers, then you have the 19%ers who want a real high quality wash and protection applied. Even these 19%ers don't see micro marring as we obsessive detailers do, that is until I point it out to them or until I do a test section polishing out just a fender on their vehicle. The other 80% are the customers lined up around the tunnel wash detailer's shops. They are either happy with the service they get from those places, or much like myself (before I realized that these forums existed) they know of nothing better.
I know in my heart that in order for me to tap into the "real earning potential" of the car care profession, I'd either have to reposition my location and marketing efforts directly in the middle of where the 1%ers and 19%ers are, or retrain my own mind not to be concerned with what my eyes see but rather what the 80%er customer sees as a valuable service.
The service that I offer is mainly self pleasing, but I can say honestly that 100% of my customers drove away feeling very pleased with the service as well but it doesn't tap into the "real earning potential" that is out there.
Having typed all that babble, I guess I could cater to the 80%ers, the 19%ers and the 1%ers but it makes me wonder if I'll begin to dislike my profession.
At this point in my car detailing venture, my concern is leaning toward pleasing my bank account more so than trying to "over-please" the untrained eyes of the public. I may have to look into selling more of the dry-wash services.
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I have used a foaming glass cleaner on rims for years at a fraction of what the boutique crowd spends and it's funny but my solution happens to start with "s" too. Stoners. I'd also like to say something about CG in general and ecosmart in particular. CG makes great products and ecosmart has been out for years. It seems the guys in California know the need and fill it. But because AG did not sell CG products until very recently many people are this forum were afraid to even mention their name let alone buy anything from them. Same is true of Blackfire. You'd think Blackfire is some kind of incredible revelation but in fact many of us used their products long before AG took it over. My point is that although AG is a great place for products and information those who just focus in on AG are in some cases( CG and Blackfire as examples) just finding out about products that have been around working their magic for years. Ecosmart is a perfect example. Don't shop with blinders on listen to guys who detail for a living and not as much from those that sell products. They know what works well usually at fraction of the cost of the current must have revelation
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We do quite a few black cars on a regular basis with this product - as long as you are careful you will be ok.
Using it improperly - Basically knowing how much product is needed is key. If a panel is semi dirty and you spray to little product, it will more than likely mar.... I always spray more than is really needed. Another KEY point is to make sure the MF is clean of any debri - this is key obviously and this is how one of my employees made his mistake.
Weekly yes! Many of my clients get their cars done weekly and it is a breeze to do - plus they have not received any other product on them in over a year and they stay looking great and feeling great.
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Seems I remember getting lit up too lol :/ But - it has worked wonders for my business :dblthumb2:
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Thanks for the review man :xyxthumbs: We don't sell it as any type of long lasting protective coat for paint , its actually our basic package (wash and wax) offered and have never had a complaint from it. I can say that our monthly fleet that we service with it are still easy to take care of each month and these cars are driven daily and not under cover. Good review , thanx man.
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Just SprayAway - get it for like 1.9? a bottle in bulk
Thanx man :dblthumb2:
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@ Anthony: :dblthumb2:
That's the way, Anthony...Kudos...for "standing your ground"!
Why just a year ago, there were your detractors, all around.
Just goes to show that you know your market best,
And, of the products to be used, of which you attest.
After all, it's not us: It's your customers you must astound!
BTW: I've been using Sprayway's 'glass cleaner' on chrome for many, many years now...Good stuff, IMO. (I hear their "Crazy Clean" product is also nice...need to find out for myself, though)
Bob
That's the way, Anthony...Kudos...for "standing your ground"!
Why just a year ago, there were your detractors, all around.
Just goes to show that you know your market best,
And, of the products to be used, of which you attest.
After all, it's not us: It's your customers you must astound!
BTW: I've been using Sprayway's 'glass cleaner' on chrome for many, many years now...Good stuff, IMO. (I hear their "Crazy Clean" product is also nice...need to find out for myself, though)
Bob
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@ Anthony: :dblthumb2:
That's the way, Anthony...Kudos...for "standing your ground"!
Why just a year ago, there were your detractors, all around.
Just goes to show that you know your market best,
And, of the products to be used, of which you attest.
After all, it's not us: It's your customers you must astound!
BTW: I've been using Sprayway's 'glass cleaner' on chrome for many, many years now...Good stuff, IMO. (I hear their "Crazy Clean" product is also nice...need to find out for myself, though)
Bob
Lol - thanx Bob :dblthumb2:.
604_Snooze
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Did you spray Sprayaway on the rim, then wipe off with a few mf towels?
no need apc?
no need apc?
Bates Detailing
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:iagree:
Same as with the eco smart - as long as your use alot of product when excessively dirty as with these rims, use patience, and not get to aggressive - they will turn out great. And no APC was used for the rims - that is used for the tires and wheel wells though.
I must say that using this method for cleaning up cars can be tedious to do it correctly - but the end results are very nice. This vehicle took us 2 hours solid (with a lite interior). Most vehicles we service on a regular basis take us 30 to 45 minutes using this method. We still hit all the cracks that are usually a breeze with soap and water - but they are or can be a pain doing by hand. Although it seems that quite a bit would be missed, we put alot of time into drywashes to ensure a quality end result.
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No problem man - I apologize for the wait :/ --- It is only a short video and there is always more to it - but for the most part that was a filthy panel and should provide enough info to at least get started or familiar with the product if one decides to use it. If I can get some time somehow - Id love to create an instructional vid (with alot time and effort put into it) for those of you that need it and also for my employees to train. I think it would be very useful. Glad to help Marc! Any questions for free to PM me or toss me a line man.
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Very informative post. Thanks for sharing some of your tricks with us. tuscarora dave and silverfox I agree with you whole heartily.
I'm testing it right now on my daily driven HHR. I put anywhere from 400-500 miles on it a week. The hood and windshield received the application this time and they are still beading like a champ after 1 week. Time will only tell how well this product does alone.
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Have you tried any other brands of waterless wash other than Chemical Guys Anthony? Poorboy's World waterless wash is $32.99 for a gallon of RTU, and Blackfire waterless wash is $39.99 for a gallon of RTU (these are my two favorite waterless washes). Blackfire waterless wash concentrate is $69.99, and at a dilution ratio of 1:4 will make 5 gallons of waterless wash. I see that Autogeek only sells EcoSmart in 16 oz. and gallon size, both RTU. Are you able to get it in concentrate?
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Cool man - you didn't have any issues with streaking on the windshield?!?! I never use it on glass - I think out of habit mainly with aircraft (one product for paint, one product for windscreen) - Im gonna try that out today actually now that you mentioned it. Im curious you results man, good timing on your review:dblthumb2:.
I've stuck to this product only actually, mainly cause Ive had such a good response from customers with it. When I get a little more time on my hands (and money in the pocket) I will definitely check these out as well as many others and find the best method quality, price, and time wise. We do get it by the gallon concentrate right now, I tossed the notion to AG on their thread about "what gallon sizes people want" about getting it in concentrated gallon form - maybe it will happen?!?!