Duragloss 105/501/601?

Shortspark said:
I love Duragloss products and have been using them for years. They are my "go to" supplier and will continue to be until someone comes up with a line that performs as well at their price point. Having said that, I wonder why they feel a need to produce a bonding agent, separate from the sealant itself? They acknowledge that products like 105 and 111 can be stand alone LSPs but to further their durability and enhance their performance, 601 is a necessary component. Why this separate product I wonder?

As far as I know, they are the only ones who have this kind of caveat to their sealants. What they are saying in effect is our sealants will perform very well on their own but buy this other thing, mix them all up and they will perform even better. It really does not make sense but if Duragloss can sell two or three product components to accomplish the same thing as others do by selling one product (such as the 845), more power to them.
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No, man, it's all about chemistry. On its own, 501 or 105 is great. Mix them with a product that affects its shelf life (601), they become extraordinary. They must be mixed to unlock the synergy. It can't be offered as a stand alone product due to a very short shelf life.
Do you understand the difference? 845 is a different animal.


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Thanks to this thread I pulled out a bottle of 501 for my parents Edge today. I thought the paint was fairly "clean" until I did a few section passes with 501 and a LC white pad. WOW!! The mess that Duragloss 501 pulled out was amazing! Now, on to the task of cleaning my pads.....:(
 
MeticulousDetail said:
Off topic:

Would 601 extend the life of other sealants that already have bonding chemicals, like 845?
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I could be wrong here, as all my DG info comes from this forum, but I see 601 as a product that acts as a primer or "glue" between 501 and a topper, allowing it to be topped with another product immediately without waiting for any curing or bonding time. If I intend to do two steps in one day, I'll do my 501/601 mix and then follow it immediately with whatever I choose to top it with, usually 845 or 476 for a winter prep, or a beauty wax in the summer.
That's the way I see it-opposing comments or endorsements are welcome, especially from one of our DG gurus here.

Bill
 
501 is a "marine/rv" product. if it protects gelcoat that is in water and in intense UV exposure, think of how well it will perform on your car.

does 501 correct? I would say no. it does well at cleaning paint (the white pad i used turns black sometime). does it polish? Yes. created a nice shine.

Mixed with 601 increases the durability and creates flash curing so you can get the paint wet right away without waiting 12-24 hours without getting it wet.

spray AquaWax on the paint after or during removal, and the gloss is awesome! my customers love it!
 
spiralout462 said:
Thanks to this thread I pulled out a bottle of 501 for my parents Edge today. I thought the paint was fairly "clean" until I did a few section passes with 501 and a LC white pad. WOW!! The mess that Duragloss 501 pulled out was amazing! Now, on to the task of cleaning my pads.....:(
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I soak them in solvent overnight then wash with Dawn...good as new.


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What kind of solvent Richy, and at what mixture? I need something to get my pads clean, Snappy Clean isn't cutting it. Thank you.
 
^^He mentioned it in this thread or another regarding DG. It was something I haven't heard of previously. I plan on using Mineral Spirits.
 
After using 105 and 501 today on Bruces truck - see the "My truck has sat for three years thread - Dura's products are so damn easy to work with it's crazy..
 
RPPM said:
What kind of solvent Richy, and at what mixture? I need something to get my pads clean, Snappy Clean isn't cutting it. Thank you.
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I use a Canadian product called Varsol but mineral spirits should work just fine.


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richy said:
It can't be offered as a stand alone product due to a very short shelf life.
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When you say, "it", you're refering to the combo of 501/601. Correct? Or are you refering to the 601 product alone? I wouldn't think you're refering to this because I'm not aware of this product being used, or serving any other purpose than as a bonding agent.

BillyJack said:
I could be wrong here, as all my DG info comes from this forum, but I see 601 as a product that acts as a primer or "glue" between 501 and a topper, allowing it to be topped with another product immediately without waiting for any curing or bonding time. If I intend to do two steps in one day, I'll do my 501/601 mix and then follow it immediately with whatever I choose to top it with, usually 845 or 476 for a winter prep, or a beauty wax in the summer.
That's the way I see it-opposing comments or endorsements are welcome, especially from one of our DG gurus here.

Bill
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I don't think the underlined above is how 601 is to be defined, as you put it, allowing it (the 501/601 combo) to be "topped" with another product...like the Collinite waxes you refered to.

Richy's more of an expert on this than I am, but my understanding is that the 601 is a primer for additional Duragloss products...helping only them bond as well as give additional longevity...those products are the topper so-to-speak, which can be followed by an LSP of you choice. However, the 601 isn't a primer for those "other brand" LSP's, because they're not formulated to work in conjuntion with Duragloss products. In other words, 601 is NOT a primer for any other waxes or sealants other than Duragloss, and therefore have no effect on them adhering to DG sealants. At least that's my understanding, and even I could be wrong. I'm sure richy can clarify, or confirm.
 
BillyJack said:
I could be wrong here, as all my DG info comes from this forum, but I see 601 as a product that acts as a primer or "glue" between 501 and a topper, allowing it to be topped with another product immediately without waiting for any curing or bonding time. If I intend to do two steps in one day, I'll do my 501/601 mix and then follow it immediately with whatever I choose to top it with, usually 845 or 476 for a winter prep, or a beauty wax in the summer.
That's the way I see it-opposing comments or endorsements are welcome, especially from one of our DG gurus here.

Bill
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Thanx for the response Bill. Here is what AG has as the description for 601:

Duragloss Polish Bonding Agent is similar to an epoxy (A&B) and bonds chemically when it comes into contact with durable polishes. Duragloss PBA will double the durability and protection of polishes when applied prior to polishing.

This is a one of a kind product! Duragloss Polish Bonding Agent serves as “glue” between the paint and a polymer paint sealant in the sense that it encourages a better bond and longer life of the sealant. You can get double the protection and double the length of protection by simply adding one coat of PBA before your last step product.

Duragloss PBA is completely transparent and undetectable underneath the sealant. It removes old wax, which can cause the final coat of protection to appear cloudy, and thereby enhances the final gloss.

Duragloss Polish Bonding Agent takes only a few more minutes to apply and its benefits are long-lasting. PBA potentially doubles the life of your polymer protection. It’s an excellent product to use year-round, but its heightened protection makes it a necessity for winter paint preparation

Most AGO members use 601 with another DG product, but DG doesn't state is has to be used with 105/501/111...........etc. It states use before your LSP, but has anyone ever tried it with another LSP besides a DG LSP?

So my first thought was, I wonder how much longer 845/915/476s would last with 601. I understand what you are saying and I use the same method in the winter and summer. I am curious if 845 and 601 would last longer than 601/105 mix topped with 845. I know 601/105 can be topped with an LSP, but would 845 bond better using 601? Just a thought.
 
Bill, yes, the "it" was a reference to the mixture. The poster had wondered why the products were not sold as a combo since they're so much more effective when combined. I was trying to clarify that for him.

The 601 does 2 things:
1). Extends the durability of the DG product it is mixed with (either in a bottle or the original way)
2). Allows the next product to be applied over it immediately without the 12 hour curing time that is normally needed. This of course is a huge time saver.


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Quick question and I never really thought about it but will surely get an answer....when mixing 501 w/ 601 how long can it stay mixed together w/o using it? I ask because I thought I was going to be able to do my car a couple weeks ago and I mixed up 1.5 oz's of it anddidn't get to use it.

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Klasse Act said:
Quick question and I never really thought about it but will surely get an answer....when mixing 501 w/ 601 how long can it stay mixed together w/o using it? I ask because I thought I was going to be able to do my car a couple weeks ago and I mixed up 1.5 oz's of it anddidn't get to use it.

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It will thicken in its consistency, but will have no effect on its performance. Don't shake it and leave it; some have reported having an issue if that's done. It will be fine for a month based on my experience.


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Thanks Richy, I remember reading about some built up pressure but how could this be, its a sealant/cleaner and a bonding agent, LOL.

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I can't say enough good things about 601/501 combo. Absolutely fantastic stuff.
 
silverfox said:
I can't say enough good things about 601/501 combo. Absolutely fantastic stuff.
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All this makes me want winter to hurry the hell up so I can start using my fresh bottles of 105 and 501, mixed with some 601, ofcoarse.

While we've got all this DG talk going I'm wondering about 101, where does it really fit in the line-up with 105 and 501?

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