ECH2O on CanCoat

[Lance Mark]

I recently sealed my motorcycle with CanCoat.

After a few hundred miles, I had some dust and a bug or two.

I diluted 1:10 and followed the instructions. It is really easy to use and left a shine that was comparable if not a bit glossier than when I'd just freshly applied CanCoat.

This was the first time I'd cleaned my bike with a rinseless wash. Took about 20 minutes.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

1:10 is waterless ratio 1:200 is rinseless ratio. If using it as waterless 1:10 looks great if you don’t mind the buffing CarPro actually recommends 1:15. I like it 1.5 oz to a 32oz bottle.


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[Lance Mark]

1:10 is waterless ratio 1:200 is rinseless ratio. If using it as waterless 1:10 looks great if you don’t mind the buffing CarPro actually recommends 1:15. I like it 1.5 oz to a 32oz bottle.


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i used it at 1:10 Sprayed it on and then carefully wiped it down. Then went over it one more time. Can you help me understand the difference between waterless and rinseless?

 

[Desertnate]

I typically use it as a QD at 1:20 and it works great! My go-to for coated vehicles. Far more economical than dedicated QD sprays.

 

[TTQ B4U]

Can you help me understand the difference between waterless and rinseless?

In short a "water-less" is using a spray bottle or like to wet the surface and then simply wiping it. Alternative methods like the "Gary Dean" method are what I use. Same process only wet rags and a few more steps to the process but much safer.

A rinseless is using the ECH2O or other such product in place of soap in a larger bucket and washing with a sponge. Same process, only no rinsing.

 

[Lance Mark]

In short a "water-less" is using a spray bottle or like to wet the surface and then simply wiping it. Alternative methods like the "Gary Dean" method are what I use. Same process only wet rags and a few more steps to the process but much safer.

A rinseless is using the ECH2O or other such product in place of soap in a larger bucket and washing with a sponge. Same process, only no rinsing.

I would like to know more about the "Gary Dean" method.

 

[glen e]

Google or you tube it. Here’s how I do a “Gary Dean”…..It essentially means mix up a batch of rinseless in a bucket, put in five or six CLEAN microfiber towels, pull a towel out and keep it very very wet - sopping wet -wipe down two panels or so and toss the used microfiber in another bucket for washing later, move on with a new sopping towel, then wipe the car down with a drying towel with another microfiber. You never go back and put any mf (dirty) in the bucket, you’re only pulling out clean towels.I’ve been using it for over 10 years, it works absolutely perfect. I mix Carpro Ech20 about 1 oz per gallon of water.

Obviously if the car has been off road or is unbelievably dirty, going to a touchless car wash, doing a soapy two bucket wash or giving it a hard pre-spray is recommended before you do a Garry dean rinseless……

 

[Texchappy]

Main feature is that once a towel leaves the rinseless bucket, it doesn’t go back. You use the eight sides of the folded towel and toss it in the dirty bucket.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

i used it at 1:10 Sprayed it on and then carefully wiped it down. Then went over it one more time. Can you help me understand the difference between waterless and rinseless?

Waterless is sprayed on. Rinse less in mixed in in a bucket you dunk your wash media in and wipe the vehicle down with it really damp.

On a bike your method seems fine as i’m sure at 1:10 it has good lubricity and with such small area’s more buffing not a problem.

At 1:10 it is more like a mini sealant. Would be alot of arm strength going into it at 1:10 if you were doing a car.


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[Coatingsarecrack]

I would like to know more about the "Gary Dean" method.

To further on what glen said I take it a step further and roll the towel as im crossing the paint and only use 1 side for one pass.

I believe i read about rolling the towel from Autopia but Larry Kosilla from Ammo NYC has the best visual if you watch some of his videos about Ammo Frothe.

I personally like to use Ammo frothe first and in your case follow up with CP Ech20 to amp up the gloss. I feel a foam is the safest product for removing dust, dirt and grime from paint.

But in the sake of simplicity on your bike i would probably just stick to waterless you’ve been doing as that seems safe to me.


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[Lance Mark]

Follow up : After using this quite a bit, i find it is worthless for getting anything other than dust off of the bike. It does nothing for bugs. Water alone works better on bugs. Back to the drawing board. I'm open to other suggestions.

 

[Texchappy]

You might need to let it dwell. I sometimes use a blue paper towel soaked and places over the remains to get it off. You might also look into an APC like OPT power clean or a dedicated bug off chemical (think Gyeon makes one). I recently got a jersey bug pad from the Rag Company and it works pretty well.

ETA: Gyeon does make Bug & Grime and CarPro and GTechniq also make similar products.

 

[Desertnate]

Follow up : After using this quite a bit, i find it is worthless for getting anything other than dust off of the bike. It does nothing for bugs. Water alone works better on bugs. Back to the drawing board. I'm open to other suggestions.

ECH2O is really only meant for light dusting. On any seriously griming vehicle, bug splatters or not, I wouldn't use a waterless/rinseless wash. Like I mentioned in the other thread, I think your expectations are too high for the product. As a QD spray and a waterless wash it works great.

 

[noorth]

I have used Ech20 a few times now has a rinseless but i pressure washed my car first. Went relatively well, i have to get a routine now. Next time i will use 10 towels. It does leave the car looking freshly detailed.

 

[Rsurfer]

Anyone know if Gary Dean is still around?

 

[DUBL0WS6]

I've used ECH20 as a rinseless and it works fine. Somehow in my mind I feel like Duragloss rinseless has a bit more lubrication.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

I have used Ech20 a few times now has a rinseless but i pressure washed my car first. Went relatively well, i have to get a routine now. Next time i will use 10 towels. It does leave the car looking freshly detailed.

Are you doing the PW’ing at home or at a spray wash. If doing at home and got the PW out you should go ahead and do a bucket wash. Way more lubrication than a rinseless.


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[noorth]

Are you doing the PW’ing at home or at a spray wash. If doing at home and got the PW out you should go ahead and do a bucket wash. Way more lubrication than a rinseless.


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It was one of those self wash bays. The only time i will do rinseless is for a light clean or in a wash bay. I travel 400km to work so that and a touchless car wash is basically my best options. I will have to live with swirls, which doesn't actually bother me. I just love clean and glossy paint. Thats why i'm thinking of going another route next year lol Use more AIO's instead of a high solid coating, polishing is my favorite. But that could change again. I already have the back end of my car coated with 1 layer of c.quartz uk and i love it! That said i done a quick polish with gyeon primer on my bonnet and topped it with high gloss a day later and that looks fantastic has well. I might even just get 10ml of c.quartz uk when i need it and use that on the doors, lower panels and bumpers. Then i can use AIO's or finishing polishes on the rest of the car a few times per year.

So many options. And your right way more lubrication with a bucket wash.