Edge 2000 pad failure, 2nd use.

What about the issues people are having with them not spinning?
 
The PC barely spins to begin with, I've used LC pads and they spun about as much as my Edge pad's, neither spin much in 6" form....now my 4" Edge pads definitley spin more so must be do to the size. The PC majority movement is orbiting not rotating.
 
The action of the PC is orbit not spin. There is no forced spin. The spin is a byproduct of the orbit because the spindle is mounted on a bearing so that it can orbit with no load. With pressure you can bog down that spin and no pad will spin. Hold it in the air and it will spin alot. That being said, even with that kind of bogging down, the PC will work just as intended. Our pads are designed to be used with the 6 inch counterweight for less vibration on your hands. How much pressure you apply, what speed you use, how much chemical, condition of the finish will all play into how much it ends up turning as well as orbiting.
 
Ok, because I always hear people say that if the pad isnt spinning, then you're using too much pressure. But it seems to me that even with just the PC's weight the pads will stop spinning. This is with Meguiars pads, I havent used my Edge pads yet.
 
I've got LC and Edge pads neither spin to that degree unless in free air.
I've not had any problems with the Edge pads in fact IMO they perform better than LC.
 
We are looking into this problems, the older pc's manual did not state anything in the manual about using a the spacer but the new manual does indicate to use the spacer to clear the counterweight screws.
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The Edge said:
The system is not meant to be used with washers. The pad should not hit anything, and we do check the pads and they are designed for the PC. That being said, we also warrenty the product so just send the blue pad back and we will replace with a new one. Don't know what happened yet, but after we get it back we always inspect them to learn what happened and improve if possible.
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The Edge said:
The action of the PC is orbit not spin. There is no forced spin. The spin is a byproduct of the orbit because the spindle is mounted on a bearing so that it can orbit with no load. With pressure you can bog down that spin and no pad will spin. Hold it in the air and it will spin alot. That being said, even with that kind of bogging down, the PC will work just as intended. Our pads are designed to be used with the 6 inch counterweight for less vibration on your hands. How much pressure you apply, what speed you use, how much chemical, condition of the finish will all play into how much it ends up turning as well as orbiting.
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If what you are saying is true, why then when I change to a LC ccs pad, it not only spins, but spins with about 15lbs. of pressure to the head of the pc? I do have the 6" counter weight and it did help with the rotation, but with little or no pressure to the pc. I've also used it with washers and without with the same results. No rotation. And I do know the difference between a da and a rotary. Again, why does the lc pads rotate and the edge do not?
 
Rsurfer said:
If what you are saying is true, why then when I change to a LC ccs pad, it not only spins, but spins with about 15lbs. of pressure to the head of the pc? I do have the 6" counter weight and it did help with the rotation, but with little or no pressure to the pc. I've also used it with washers and without with the same results. No rotation. And I do know the difference between a da and a rotary. Again, why does the lc pads rotate and the edge do not?
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My opinion is because from personal experience the Edge foam "grabs" the surface more than a LC pad, taking out defects with a slower speed.
 
I am not trying to bad mouth a product here...But I have 4"...5"CCS...5.5 LC...and 6" CCS pads and I can put pressure on them to the point of almost flattening them and get rotation..If I had a video cam I would show you...I have put some serious downward pressure on them and they still spin... I am not favoring one pad over another..just stating a fact...even my old Edge classics will spin...it could be a optical illusion...but they look like spinning to me as I have a red 1" dot on my backing plate and its a solid red blur 360 degrees on speed 5 and 6....

AL
 
Al-53 said:
I am not trying to bad mouth a product here...But I have 4"...5"CCS...5.5 LC...and 6" CCS pads and I can put pressure on them to the point of almost flattening them and get rotation..If I had a video cam I would show you...I have put some serious downward pressure on them and they still spin... I am not favoring one pad over another..just stating a fact...even my old Edge classics will spin...it could be a optical illusion...but they look like spinning to me as I have a red 1" dot on my backing plate and its a solid red blur 360 degrees on speed 5 and 6....

AL
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Hi Al, I have followed your posting for some time now and highly respect your views and comments. I beleive what you are saying is true. I too have put a black X on my backing plate and the edge pads do not rotate with 5lbs. of pressure, however my LC ccs pads do rotate even with 15-20lbs. of pressure. I changed the counter weight from 5" to 6" and it did help a bit, but still stops rotating with a little pressure. I also used the edge with and without washers. The theory behind the edge pads are terrific: Self centering, 2 pads in one, easy connect and disconnect. Any suggestions Al would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry I meant an x on the side of the edge pad.
 
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I've used both LC and Edge pads and IME they both spin the same. I will add that it is awfully hard to see if the Edge pads are spinning. There is no mark or reference point for your eye to follow where as a backing plate usually has some kind of mark on it.

Anyway, I'm not sure why people are always SO obsessed with whether the pad is spinning or not. As long as the pad is orbiting then it's still polishing. I only look to see if the pad is spinning to guage how much downward pressure I'm applying.

I'd also like to add that I've had my Edge pads for I believe over a year now and despite many polishing sessions they still look and perform like new. Plus, I'm still using the same adapter which also looks and performs as new.
 
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I love my Edge Pads. I did notice a small tear about 3/8 inch developing on my blue pad about a half inch from spindale opening(around 6 uses). Think I should toss? only problem I have had.
 
seems to me a lot of the blue pads tear in that exact spot around the opening Im going to email aron with a pic of mine and send it back seeing if I can get a new one this is only 2nd use
 
MikeyC said:
Anyway, I'm not sure why people are always SO obsessed with whether the pad is spinning or not. As long as the pad is orbiting then it's still polishing. I only look to see if the pad is spinning to guage how much downward pressure I'm applying.
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I don't understand either. The PC is not designed to "spin" the pad at all. The spinning is just a byproduct of the physics of the machines orbitting. You put some pressure on the machine and any pad will most likely stop "spinning" at some point. Some may do it quicker than others.
 
Adde said:
seems to me a lot of the blue pads tear in that exact spot around the opening Im going to email aron with a pic of mine and send it back seeing if I can get a new one this is only 2nd use
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Bothersome to say the least. I wonderd f I was the only one that experienced it.
 
Grimm said:
I don't understand either. The PC is not designed to "spin" the pad at all. The spinning is just a byproduct of the physics of the machines orbitting. You put some pressure on the machine and any pad will most likely stop "spinning" at some point. Some may do it quicker than others.
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What is the name of the PC? Porter Cable 7424 Dual Action Polisher. If the pads are not meant to spin, can you please name the two actions that this polisher does?
 
budman3 said:
What is the name of the PC? Porter Cable 7424 Dual Action Polisher. If the pads are not meant to spin, can you please name the two actions that this polisher does?
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Budman does have a pretty solid point there. :p
 
budman3 said:
What is the name of the PC? Porter Cable 7424 Dual Action Polisher. If the pads are not meant to spin, can you please name the two actions that this polisher does?
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This has been gone over before in another thread, but the machine does not have a forced rotation. It only orbits around the axis in the jiggling manner. As you know, you can freely spin the pad when the machine is off. So when the machine is on and orbitting, it is free to "spin" like you are talking about. But then once you put enough pressure on the pad, it will stop spinning. In case I was mistaken by having a defective machine, I did confirm this with Porter Cable.
 
well then I have a different machine then..with a 5.5 in pad I can put severe pressure on it to the point I may push the panel in and it rotates...to the point where my red dot is a swirling red blur 360 degrees...its not a forced rotaion...it is centrifical rotation...if the pad is not grabbing the paint and jiggling then it will rotate and orbit at the same time..thats why they put lubes in polish to reduce friction...so something is grabbing the paint....it works on cocentric motion..

look at a pad the jiggles..you see your polish dots on the foam...look at a pad that rotates...you see polish on the whole surface...so with rotation and orbits you get a different pad area each orbit and polish covering all areas ..with a jiggle you get the same area working the paint more or less

AL
 
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