Essensse as a primer

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Hello folks. I wonder how many of you pro’s are using essense as a primer? Do you do a wipe down right after polishing or just put the coating on the top right away? Or perhaps wait a few hours to let the oils evaporate?

I had a weird experience with it. Polished the hood of my pilot and put CQUK within an hour or so without eraser wipedown. So month later I get to do the whole car (compound/polish), figured i’ll give it a wash before coating and when i hit the hood i’ve noticed very little to now beading or water sheeting. I mean, bare polished paint was beading better. So my question is what exactly did i do wrong? I think i followed to the t directions on the bottle but it looks like CQUK didn’t bond at all...any ideas good Sirs?


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Hi, first thing , its called Essence , not Essense
once you finished polishing with Essence wait 1 hour before coating with CQUK, will be good to do Eraser pre coat to release any residues left.
if you polished the car after a month you most likely removed the coating, so you cant expect to see beading from it, the beading you see from the polish compound is the solvents oil left from the compound on the surface..
HTH
 
Dont think he polished the hood after coating..
 
Avi@CarPro said:
Hi, first thing , its called Essence , not Essense
once you finished polishing with Essence wait 1 hour before coating with CQUK, will be good to do Eraser pre coat to release any residues left.
if you polished the car after a month you most likely removed the coating, so you cant expect to see beading from it, the beading you see from the polish compound is the solvents oil left from the compound on the surface..
HTH
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I haven’t touched the hood with the polisher once it was coated. What i was trying to explain is that the coating didn’t bond to the surface primed with essenCe


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Correct me if I’m wrong, but you can polish the car with essence let it cure for 24 hours then go right to coating without a wipe down of eraser?


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Dabbac said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but you can polish the car with essence let it cure for 24 hours then go right to coating without a wipe down of eraser?


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Carpro says you can coat it right away. Directions on the bottle do not say you need to wait x amount of time before coating


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Perhaps there was still too many polishing oils left over that UK did not bond properly. The other possibility is road grime.

I wipedown essence with Eraser even if I let it sit overnight just to be sure.
 
The Guz said:
Perhaps there was still too many polishing oils left over that UK did not bond properly. The other possibility is road grime.

I wipedown essence with Eraser even if I let it sit overnight just to be sure.
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Road grime is off the table as the surface has been washed.

I agree on the oils left but then why would they release a product that should act as a primer and promote no need in eraser stage that doesn’t actually work that way? Initially i was going to use essence for the whole and if i would do that what waste of time and product would that be??


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Here is some information pulled straight from CarPro.

2 - Do I have to use Eraser between Essence and CQuartz?

If your using Essence by machine and you wait until the vehicle is finished then you can apply Reload or CQuartz after you finish the vehicle starting in the same direction you polished. If you want to be ultra safe you can still Eraser but in our testings to date we have not seen any failure when we skipped Eraser.

If your using Essence by hand then we recommend you use Eraser before coating.
 
I’ve let Essence cure after a night before coating and the coating works fine, did have a coating prematurely fail when coating immediately after Essence.
 
Hard to pinpoint the exact problem, I've coated CQUK on top of a wax, sealant, unpolished paint, glaze, and Essence without a wipedown with no significant degradation after a month. The unpolished paint section had the largest impact on overall performance in the short term.

On a long term durability test, I set up CQUK on top of Essence with an Eraser wipedown, and on the other half on top of Glossworkz Glaze. Paint wasn't washed for about 9 months, CQUK did fail on the hood, on the fenders for both sides it did hold up much better.
 
Not sure if it's "required" but I tend to use Eraser just to make sure the surface is as clean as can be before coating. I just don't want any residual anything getting on my applicator when coating. Never had an issue. I would say wash with CarPro Reset and see if that fixes it.
 
TTQ B4U said:
Not sure if it's "required" but I tend to use Eraser just to make sure the surface is as clean as can be before coating. I just don't want any residual anything getting on my applicator when coating. Never had an issue. I would say wash with CarPro Reset and see if that fixes it.
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Well, it really defeats the purpose if you still have to wipe the surface down. The whole idea of this polish is to prepare the surface for the coating. Prepare=get it ready for the coating, which isn’t really happening. I guess i’ll just stick with 205..


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parshisa said:
Well, it really defeats the purpose if you still have to wipe the surface down. The whole idea of this polish is to prepare the surface for the coating. Prepare=get it ready for the coating, which isn’t really happening. I guess i’ll just stick with 205.
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Doesn't really defeat the purpose. Eraser isn't going to remove the SiO2 base that is laid down or the fllers if you let it cure for an hour. All eraser does is act as a safer IPA step. I use it after M205 too. Again, the main reason being to ensure all traces of missed polish or dust or yes, oils, etc that may be there do not contaminate my applicator when applying the coating.
 
I read the instructions on carpro UK site as they often has a very detailed ones. They recommend at least to wait 3 hours after applyied essence before applying coating. This is to let the solvents and polishing oils to evaporate fully. And if used by hand it's necessary to do an eraser wipe down. I agree with you that it's not good that instructions on the bottle don't clarify that. If I were useing a polish before essence I would do an eraser wipe down before the polishing with essence to help the evaporation afterwards. Just to get the best prep possible for the coating to bond as best as possible and get the longest longevity possible.
 
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