Father needs advice on how best to detail car in 1h - for reasonable $$

Unfortunately for you, Detailing is one pursuit where the time put in and the results achieved have a direct correlation

You will need to lower your expectations or increase the amount of time you are willing to invest
 
I feel that I'm in a similar boat as the OP time-wise and I don't even have kids. When I was in my 20's, I could and did spend inordinate amounts of time doing stuff that I just can't justify doing now. One of them is spending time every weekend thoroughly cleaning my car.

I am fortunate enough to have my own home, but no garage. So whatever work I'm going to do on the cars is usually out of necessity, as in they're broken or to do some quickly cleaning of bird crap. Thankfully, I don't have kids or a dog, nor do I or my wife trash the interiors of our cars. So when I clean up the interior every so often they tend to stay pretty clean.

My exterior cleaning routine had typically been to just take our cars to the local "swirlomatic" and occasionally treat the tire side-walls, plastic trim, interior plastic, weatherstripping and under-hood rubber with Griot's Rubber & Vinyl Dressing.

On a rare occasion maybe once a year, I'd hand wash with my Mr. Clean gun loaded with Dawn dish soap, then clay bar using the foam out of the gun as lube. Then after rinsing with the filtered water out of the gun, sun drying, I'd then apply Meg's Cleaner Wax.

I just bought a newer car a few weeks ago and have yet to wash it. I've been trying to figure out what to do while buying up some staple goods as per my findings from recommendations on this site. A friend of mine does detailing, so I might have him do both cars to bring them up to par and then look into maintenance from there.

I'm all for doing stuff that cuts down the time to do unless it severely compromises the results. In my opinion there is no sense in taking short-cuts if the results are going to suck. To that end, what I will probably do is like a already mentioned, have both of our cars fully details by a pro, maybe investigate doing a coating to prolong the protective of all that detail work and then perform maintenance washes.

I'm still totally in the dark on this rinseless wash thing and using spray waxes. A lot of the recommendations from others here seem really interesting, but some of it doesn't make sense to me - I don't yet understand the terminology or acronyms a lot of the people use here.

I would absolutely love to meet other AG (there, I used an acronym) members and learn whatever I can hands-on. So, I'll probably reach out in a separate post for that. Heck, I've met up with tons of other enthusiasts from all my other hobbies, why not car cleaning too! :)
 
I feel that I'm in a similar boat as the OP time-wise and I don't even have kids. When I was in my 20's, I could and did spend inordinate amounts of time doing stuff that I just can't justify doing now. One of them is spending time every weekend thoroughly cleaning my car.

I am fortunate enough to have my own home, but no garage. So whatever work I'm going to do on the cars is usually out of necessity, as in they're broken or to do some quickly cleaning of bird crap. Thankfully, I don't have kids or a dog, nor do I or my wife trash the interiors of our cars. So when I clean up the interior every so often they tend to stay pretty clean.

My exterior cleaning routine had typically been to just take our cars to the local "swirlomatic" and occasionally treat the tire side-walls, plastic trim, interior plastic, weatherstripping and under-hood rubber with Griot's Rubber & Vinyl Dressing.

On a rare occasion maybe once a year, I'd hand wash with my Mr. Clean gun loaded with Dawn dish soap, then clay bar using the foam out of the gun as lube. Then after rinsing with the filtered water out of the gun, sun drying, I'd then apply Meg's Cleaner Wax.

I just bought a newer car a few weeks ago and have yet to wash it. I've been trying to figure out what to do while buying up some staple goods as per my findings from recommendations on this site. A friend of mine does detailing, so I might have him do both cars to bring them up to par and then look into maintenance from there.

I'm all for doing stuff that cuts down the time to do unless it severely compromises the results. In my opinion there is no sense in taking short-cuts if the results are going to suck. To that end, what I will probably do is like a already mentioned, have both of our cars fully details by a pro, maybe investigate doing a coating to prolong the protective of all that detail work and then perform maintenance washes.

I'm still totally in the dark on this rinseless wash thing and using spray waxes. A lot of the recommendations from others here seem really interesting, but some of it doesn't make sense to me - I don't yet understand the terminology or acronyms a lot of the people use here.

I would absolutely love to meet other AG (there, I used an acronym) members and learn whatever I can hands-on. So, I'll probably reach out in a separate post for that. Heck, I've met up with tons of other enthusiasts from all my other hobbies, why not car cleaning too! :)

I wish that there was a definitive glossary of acronyms here, but there isn't. When I don't know one, I ask. This forum's members are great about answering even the "simplest" questions for newbies. One of the reasons I spend so much time here. One of the worst things about autogeek, is that they sell so many good products, so opinions will vary widely.

I haven't done a rinseless yet, but I do waterless. It's great on a car that doesn't need a ton of work, or when it's too cold to get outside and use a hose. Rinseless uses a litlte bit more water, which seems to help if the car is more soiled.

As far as washing a new car, this is the method many use here. I use this one a couple times a year, or when I get a new vehicle. The parenthesis are what I use:

*Wash with a quality soap (Meguiars gold class)
Remove industrial fallout with an iron remover (McKee's Extreme or Iron-X)
Clay
*Wipe down with IPA to get rid of any residue (Carpro Eraser)
*Apply Sealant for protection (Griots paint sealant or Blackfire wet diamond)
Apply wax to make it look good (McKees Carnuba)
Coat Wheels (McKee's)
Clean and coat tires (McKee's)

Interior:
*Clean with APC (10:1 dillution)
Coat vinyl and trim (Pinnacle Black Label)
Clean leather/coat (Pinnacle Black Label)
Pull all the floor mats and vacuum.

This is every bit of an all day job. I try to do it at least once in the spring, and once in the fall. The ones with an asterisk next to them are the minimum I want to do to ensure I have my paint protected. If you want to amp up the appearance a bit, save some time, and have the money, you can replace the sealant with an All In One and use a Dual Action Polisher. AIO is a mix of polish and sealant, but it's kind of like a futon, it's not really as good at either side of the equation as a dedicated product. Honestly, the polisher was a good investment in time savings because you can apply sealant and wax much faster too.

Ok, that's a lot of work. Once it's done, a weekly wash should keep it looking good. A quality spray wax is great for maintaining the shine from the above work, and adding a little bit of protection, but they only last a week or two at the most.

Wash (McKee's was and wax, or Meg's ultimate wash and wax)
Dry most of the way with a good towel (waffle weave)
Spray wax as you finish drying (McKee's or Meg's ultimate)
Quick wipedown of interior and vacuum

I did this to both my car and truck in under 3 hours this weekend. My wife tolerates my time with the cars because in the 7 years we've been together she's never had to worry about an oil change, she's never had a car leave her stranded, and she loves getting compliments on her explorer. It also relaxes me and is a good stress reliever. Sunday was daddy/daughter day so she had a little break. When the 1 month old gets a little bigger and not so dependent on mom for sustenance he will join our adventures.

Sorry for the very long post. Hope it helps!
 
I feel that I'm in a similar boat as the OP time-wise and I don't even have kids. When I was in my 20's, I could and did spend inordinate amounts of time doing stuff that I just can't justify doing now. One of them is spending time every weekend thoroughly cleaning my car.

My exterior cleaning routine had typically been to just take our cars to the local "swirlomatic" and occasionally treat the tire side-walls, plastic trim, interior plastic, weatherstripping and under-hood rubber with Griot's Rubber & Vinyl Dressing.

On a rare occasion maybe once a year, I'd hand wash with my Mr. Clean gun loaded with Dawn dish soap, then clay bar using the foam out of the gun as lube. Then after rinsing with the filtered water out of the gun, sun drying, I'd then apply Meg's Cleaner Wax.

I just bought a newer car a few weeks ago and have yet to wash it. I've been trying to figure out what to do while buying up some staple goods as per my findings from recommendations on this site. A friend of mine does detailing, so I might have him do both cars to bring them up to par and then look into maintenance from there.

I'm all for doing stuff that cuts down the time to do unless it severely compromises the results. In my opinion there is no sense in taking short-cuts if the results are going to suck. To that end, what I will probably do is like a already mentioned, have both of our cars fully details by a pro, maybe investigate doing a coating to prolong the protective of all that detail work and then perform maintenance washes.

I'm still totally in the dark on this rinseless wash thing and using spray waxes. A lot of the recommendations from others here seem really interesting, but some of it doesn't make sense to me - I don't yet understand the terminology or acronyms a lot of the people use here.

I would absolutely love to meet other AG (there, I used an acronym) members and learn whatever I can hands-on. So, I'll probably reach out in a separate post for that. Heck, I've met up with tons of other enthusiasts from all my other hobbies, why not car cleaning too! :)

First off, welcome to the forum!

It's funny you revive this post, as I was just formulating a post of my own along very similar lines. The heading I decided on was: "I'm not giving up, just changing how I think about detailing." More on that later.

Back in the day, I used to spend every friday after work giving my E30 M3 a bath (which rarely saw much use during the week), and my daily driver was always well kept. Fast forward, now I have a 2 year old, 8-10 hour work days and a total of about 2 hour commute. Even with my car count down to just my wife's Q5 and my avant, neither car has been where I want it just due to the time required.

My shift in mindset has come as I've given in to the fact that, like you, I just don't have the full weekends to dedicate to washing and claying and polishing and waxing and refining down to the last detail. What I've come to realize is, that there's absolutely nothing wrong with turning it all into small projects. For me, I've been using my daughter's 2 hour nap time as time trials for cleaning. I'm no pro, so with setup and (most of the) teardown, that's pretty much a proper 2 bucket wash with drying aid for one car. 2 weekends ago, I did one car each day. This weekend, I did a blitz vacuum and wipedown of the inside of my wife's car. My future projects will be dedicating 2 hours to say, the LF seat area, where it'll get proper cleaned including shampooing carpet/mat, and cleaning/treating the seat. Next day, RF. Polishing and applying a LSP (Last Step Product) will get divided into sections. Not my ideal situation, but it's just what is going to work for me because family time is a bigger priority (and a dirty house is definitely not something I'm going to let happen just to have clean cars!).

pilotpip jumped in and did a great write up before I could, so I'll just say there's a lot of good info there.

I think a big thing to do some reflecting and decide how invested you want to get. I say this because there are times I look at my shelves of detailing supplies and think how little I use so many of them (There are a lot of really nice folks on this forum. But man you guys have cost me a lot of money! :laughing: ). In your situation, I really don't think there's any shame in having your friend get the car dialed in so it's easier for you to maintain. Then you can focus your time and dollars and products that help attain your goals. If you're a tinkerer, and really value trying different things to see what you like best, than oh boy are you in the right place! One other piece of advice I would offer is brand loyalty can help cut down your spending. I'm a long time Griot's Garage fan, and their products have really gotten great lately. Optimum is proving to be another company where I've been really happy with everything of theirs that I've tried.

Sorry for the long/wordy post, but it's hard for me to cover your post in a couple words. Feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions!

I will say products I've learned about here that have been greatly appreciated would include the Griot's Speedy Prep Mitt (takes the place of clay bar), APC's (All Purpose Cleaners, though be sure to read up on their use), Car Pro Iron X (though there are thankfully now less offensive smelling options out there for iron decontamination), and Optimum Opti-seal. Opti-seal has helped "restore my faith", as it's super easy to use and has given my cars a great gloss/ease of cleaning even though I haven't had time to do any polishing yet.

And lastly, I just have to say: Step away from the dish soap!!! :laughing:
 
pilotpip, fantastic post and the step-by-step procedure and product is what resonates with me. It's one thing when people say I do a XXX wash, or wax or dance step, but without the details of what that is, idk what the heck you're talking about. Yes, all long-time forum members want new folks to search for information, but what if they don't even know what they're searching for well, with all the acronyms everyone tosses in here. Can't there be a Acronym Sticky?

Further questions:
1. IPA, what alky percentage and how much do you tend to use? Is one bottle from the drug store sufficient or do I need to find somewhere that sells a gallon?

2. APC's, All Purpose Cleaners, how do you select one? Does it wind up taking the place of something(s) else?

All in all, I'm looking for time efficient methods to maintain my stuff without having to spend a ton of money to do so. The wife is likely not going to let me spend money on a coating or the time to do it unless the benefits really can outweigh the cost. Heck, I got a quote for a Opti-Coat base level coating by a pro and it's $900!

I usually don't have time for a weekly wash, so I need to use stuff on the vehicle surfaces that buy me time between washes. I guess you all are probably going to come back to coatings to perform that function?

oneheadlite Give me all the words! Wordy posts are great so long as their written intelligently! I'm with you on not a lot of time, so break it down into stages - I'm doing that and will do more of that. For one period of "free" time I do the interior stuff. It's taken me 6 weeks just to mostly clean (Meg VLR leather seat treatment + some trim, Nextzett Pro Cockpit on dash, vacuum everywhere) my new-to-me car's interior and I haven't even gotten wiping down the door panels or touching the glass. Fortunately, I'm not a pig, never eat in my car, no kids or other creatures mucking things up. So aside from the front mats and dust, my vehicle interiors stay relatively pristine.

Griot's was my first "higher end" detailing buddy that I can't remember how I met/found 15+ years ago. At the time, I couldn't afford most of the stuff they sold, but kept up with the vinyl/rubber dressing and just recently bought two bottles of their car wash stuff on sale. I guess I'll be doing a bunch of water-washes to use up all the soap the family has. (NO MORE DISH SOAP!! :) )

What has also changed in recent times is that I'm now responsible for the care and upkeep of 3-4 family vehicles. I've got a 14 Sorento (me), 05 Forester (wife), 09 Odyessy (mother-in-law) and a 12 Impreza (sister-in-law). Lots of sheet-metal and various surfaces. I need to be realistic with my time. I have very little time, can't spend loads of cash, but want to have cars that hold up. And, would be nice to cut down water usage and not add to that bill.

I read Marc's review on the MK37 N-914, was awesome!
 
Similar to the OP and others in this thread, I too have difficulty finding time to maintain my car to the level that I want to maintain it. And my wife just doesn't place a whole lot of value on keeping a car clean, especially not at the expense of spending half a day (or more) in the garage while she handles our two little ones. I find that I do the really heavy lifting when I know my wife is going to be gone for a long stretch. I took a day when my wife was out of town to compound/polish my car and then put a good LSP on it (a sealant but a coating would be a good option for folks like us who are looking for easy to maintain).

Now I try to keep my car from getting too dirty. Every few days or so I'll try to do a quick WW. I find that I can do the whole car in under 20 mins. Sometimes I'll do half when I pull in the garage at night and do the other half in the morning before leaving for work. If my car gets too dirty (driving through the rain, etc), I'll just take it through a touchless car wash to knock the heavy stuff off. Then I'll hit it with a WW when I get home. I do find it's harder to keep the wheels/tires looking good by not doing a full wash on a regular basis, though. Sometimes I'll use the soap brush at the coin op to wash my tires/wheels when they get really dirty (one of a million reasons why you should never use that brush on your paint). Or I'll use old microfibers and a RW to wash them in the garage (then toss the MF afterwards). I just try to find little bits here and there to do what I can to keep my car as clean as possible really.
 
pilotpip, fantastic post and the step-by-step procedure and product is what resonates with me. It's one thing when people say I do a XXX wash, or wax or dance step, but without the details of what that is, idk what the heck you're talking about. Yes, all long-time forum members want new folks to search for information, but what if they don't even know what they're searching for well, with all the acronyms everyone tosses in here. Can't there be a Acronym Sticky?

Further questions:
1. IPA, what alky percentage and how much do you tend to use? Is one bottle from the drug store sufficient or do I need to find somewhere that sells a gallon?

2. APC's, All Purpose Cleaners, how do you select one? Does it wind up taking the place of something(s) else?

All in all, I'm looking for time efficient methods to maintain my stuff without having to spend a ton of money to do so. The wife is likely not going to let me spend money on a coating or the time to do it unless the benefits really can outweigh the cost. Heck, I got a quote for a Opti-Coat base level coating by a pro and it's $900!

I usually don't have time for a weekly wash, so I need to use stuff on the vehicle surfaces that buy me time between washes. I guess you all are probably going to come back to coatings to perform that function?

oneheadlite Give me all the words! Wordy posts are great so long as their written intelligently! I'm with you on not a lot of time, so break it down into stages - I'm doing that and will do more of that. For one period of "free" time I do the interior stuff. It's taken me 6 weeks just to mostly clean (Meg VLR leather seat treatment + some trim, Nextzett Pro Cockpit on dash, vacuum everywhere) my new-to-me car's interior and I haven't even gotten wiping down the door panels or touching the glass. Fortunately, I'm not a pig, never eat in my car, no kids or other creatures mucking things up. So aside from the front mats and dust, my vehicle interiors stay relatively pristine.

Griot's was my first "higher end" detailing buddy that I can't remember how I met/found 15+ years ago. At the time, I couldn't afford most of the stuff they sold, but kept up with the vinyl/rubber dressing and just recently bought two bottles of their car wash stuff on sale. I guess I'll be doing a bunch of water-washes to use up all the soap the family has. (NO MORE DISH SOAP!! :) )

What has also changed in recent times is that I'm now responsible for the care and upkeep of 3-4 family vehicles. I've got a 14 Sorento (me), 05 Forester (wife), 09 Odyessy (mother-in-law) and a 12 Impreza (sister-in-law). Lots of sheet-metal and various surfaces. I need to be realistic with my time. I have very little time, can't spend loads of cash, but want to have cars that hold up. And, would be nice to cut down water usage and not add to that bill.

I read Marc's review on the MK37 N-914, was awesome!

Found it: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/tricks-tips-techniques/863-acronyms.html"] Acronyms! but it's not the best.

And this: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/31183-how-mix-ipa-inspecting-correction-results.html" IPA! but it makes my head hurt, so I use car pro eraser a couple times a year.

There are some cost effective products here, but it takes a little time. I'm fortunate that I have an understanding wife, especially with a 22 month old and a 1 month old. I make sure my honey-dos are taken care of, and the kids are good. When the window of opportunity is there, I take it. I currently have 2 cars to take care of, but I plan on adding my mother-in-law's and aunt's to the mix because they help us a ton with our kids. It's the least I can do for them as a thanks for their help. Washing both of my cars last weekend took extra time because the oldest came to "help". I was in my 30s before I could afford a decent vehicle worth taking care of. Stopping for a few minutes, and redoing her "help" was a small price to pay to help her start learning the importance of pride in her work and possessions. I also have a job where I have a lot of time off, and am seriously considering doing some detailing on the side to make a few extra bucks for the kids' college fund but that is not something I'm ready to dive into because that's a head first in the shallow end kind of dive in my opinion.

It sounds like a rinseless/waterless regime may be a good approach for you. I can do a waterless wash on both of my vehicles (a long bed crew cab truck and a full size SUV) in under an hour. It may not be as clean as a full-on wash in terms of getting all the nooks and crannies, but if it hasn't rained/snowed in a while the only person that will notice is you. Again, the key is having a good foundation to start with, and that takes an investment in time more than anything. The monetary investment stinks up front, but quality products go a long way. I have a bottle of griots paint sealant that's still more than 1/2 full despite having done 5 cars, the smallest was a nissan rouge.

As far as the APC, I have some blackfire because I caught it on a buy one, get one. When I use that up, I'll be switching to Meguiars D101. It's $20/gallon and does a great job at a 10:1 ratio. I keep a bottle of 4:1 as well for the really dirty stuff but I rarely reach for it. I use the 10:1 on my interior trim, my wheels if they don't need a really hard scrub, my tires, the exterior trim, all over. Price is a big factor to me. Yeah, I've spent about a grand here in the last two years but that's nothing compared to the hard-core weekend warriors and professionals.

Lastly, thanks for the kind words. Just about every time I do something detailing related, I'm doing it for the first time. After using All in ones for one step corrections for the last year I'm finally worked up the courage to order a couple different compounds and polishes to venture into a 3 step correction. I've asked plenty basic/dumb questions on here and always received a respectful answer. Sometimes, it resulted in 5 people giving me 6 different ways to do it but that just shows there's no right answer sometimes and what works best for me, may not work for you. It's also fun to look back at some of my earlier posts and see what I've learned and how much my personal abilities and standards have increased.
 
So I did a two step correction on my mother-in-law's car. It was hammered. Worked on it about 8 hours yesterday, and 8 today. I took some pictures as I went along, and I'll probably post a "shine and show" thread this weekend because it was my first time using compound. I was thinking about doing a 3 step but after not being impressed with the results on polishing the hood with some old XMT-1, I decided I could get as good, or better results using McKee's 360 AIO. I'm really happy I did because I would have easily spent another 5 or 6 hours on it. I didn't even get to the trim or interior. I had to leave those for another day.

To make a long story short: spend the time to get it good, and it makes keeping it clean much easier. A quality AIO is all my truck ever needs because I do it once or twice a year. My car will get the 3 step treatment when it warms up again, but after that I hope to maintain it with AIO. They're daily drivers, and only one lives in the garage.
 
To those above, try out rinseless/waterless washing.

I was very apprehensive about using them at first and thought there was no way it could be as safe or clean as well as a traditional wash.

A year or two later, this is all I use now.

All you need is a couple of buckets, a pump or hand sprayer, and some towels.

Some prefer a prerinse with a hose or pressure washer, but it is not nessisary.

If you want convenience, premix your rinseless/waterless solution with distilled water at your preferred ratio then it's ready to go whenever you are. I usually go with the stronger waterless ratio, or somewhere in between WW and rinseless ratio.

Take some mix and put it in a spray bottle, or garden pump sprayer. Presoak the area to be washed, then go over it with your wash mitt, or towels(Gary Dean Method), that are soaking in your rinseless mix bucket.

I do one light pass to pick up most if the dirt, rinse my mitt in my water rinse bucket, then make a second pass with some agitation. Then dry, or mist some spray wax on each panel as I dry.
 
For APCs, sorry all purpose cleaners, I typically have two.

One that's nice and safe but effective to use anywhere, including interiors. Like McKees 37 High Intensity APC+ or Optimum Power Clean

And one strong one for wheel and tire cleaning and what not. Just "Dollar Store" stuff that cheap and works well.
 
I'm honing my RW "kit" and projected initial process from reading. This assumes the vehicle has been pro-detailed/polished/waxed and this is the maintenance process:

Rinseless liquid: McKee’s 37 N-914 or Optimum No Rinse Wash & Wax
Optimum Opti-seal - Paint, rubber, plastic trim, wheels
All Purpose Cleaner: Meguiar's D101 (undercarriage, wheel wells, engine bay)
Drying: Griots PFM terry weave microfiber 16 x 16
QEP Grout Sponge pack @ Home Depot, use one for paint, the rest for jams/wheels
Pump sprayer (x2) for Rinseless liquid solution and APC solution (HD or Lowes)
SpeedMaster brush (AG)
5-gallon bucket with grit guard and Gamma lid
Black chenille Microfiber wash mitt (AG)
12 edgeless 450g microfiber towels (TP)
25x35 micro-fiber drying towel (TP)
Wheel well brush (Target)

My intended method:

0. Spray APC on under carriage and engine bag, agitate with brushes, hose off at coin-op, house hose sprayer or pump sprayer with distilled water
1. iron-x wheels, scrub with Speedmaster brush, rinse with hose or flush with water from bucket, dry with edgeless MF towels
2. start on the roof, pre-soak with ONRWW @ WW ratio using hand-size pump sprayer
3. have 5gal bucket with grit guard loaded with 4-gallons of distilled water + 2oz of ONRWW, let sponges soak in
4. make panel passes with each side of the sponge, squeeze out in 5gal bucket/rub on grit guard
5. once panel is done, apply Oti-seal and dry with large MF towel or PFM towel(s)
6. move to next panel and repeat
7. once body is done, apply Opti-seal to wheels
8. Polish exhaust tips with Wenol

My goal is to do an effective cleaning/protecting using the least amount of products and effort in a short period of time. I have a Sorento SUV, Odyessy mini-van and Subaru Forester that I need to keep up.

Does this sound workable?
 
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