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It's kinda like the EcoBoost Mustang. Compared to a GT, the lower weight over the front axle makes it dynamically superior, and with the 2.3 engine, its fast too. But.....................................the vast majority of the Mustang's alure is the sound of the engine, or to be precise, the V8 engine.

Agree, but I think it goes beyond the sound. It's the whole package/personality of the car: a large-ish coupe, a big engine, tons of power, just enough creature comforts to be tolerable, and reasonable price point (I know, debatable in today's market). You nailed it in your comment. Sure an EcoBoost Mustang or Camaro RS with the V6 had plenty of power, but they aren't effortlessly dangerous fast like the V8 and don't rev all the way to redline without letting. It's all about the experience. Like a really good restaurant that not only has good food, but great service, and a nice location. You'll enjoy it much more than some dive that just happens to have a great chef in the kitchen.
 
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Haven’t watched recently but used to watch Regular Guy reviews on YouTube.
Regular Car Reviews is hilarious. The best episodes are always the ones with cars you have or had. You can relate to his jabs.

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It's kinda like the EcoBoost Mustang. Compared to a GT, the lower weight over the front axle makes it dynamically superior, and with the 2.3 engine, its fast too. But.....................................the vast majority of the Mustang's alure is the sound of the engine, or to be precise, the V8 engine.

I would say it is un-slow, not fast. Fast is relative to what you compare it to.

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That is how I'd spec a new 911, a GT3 Touring without all the useless wings and vents that no one needs on the road. Irish Green or BRG, a leather steering wheel (Alcantara is way overrated and turns gross in no time), silver wheels, although I'd want a red or brown interior and the carbon brakes.
 
That is how I'd spec a new 911, a GT3 Touring without all the useless wings and vents that no one needs on the road. Irish Green or BRG, a leather steering wheel (Alcantara is way overrated and turns gross in no time), silver wheels, although I'd want a red or brown interior and the carbon brakes.
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That is how I'd spec a new 911, a GT3 Touring without all the useless wings and vents that no one needs on the road. Irish Green or BRG, a leather steering wheel (Alcantara is way overrated and turns gross in no time), silver wheels, although I'd want a red or brown interior and the carbon brakes.
I think I'd take a 911 Turbo in Gentian Blue with the standard nickel/gray wheels and black interior. Add on the heated steering wheel as the only real option.

While I'm not a fan of the picnic table wings they put on the GT3's these days, I think a higher performance 911 needs a spoiler of some sort...I did grow up in the years of the 930 generation 911 Turbo's with the whale-tail. A nice Carrera should be "slick", but step up to a Turbo or a GT3 and there needs to be something poking up above the engine cover!
 
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Wandered over to the main studio this morning and low and behold, there was sitting a brand new Oak Green Metallic GT3 Touring, with the cognac leather interior. While I had been a fan of Gentian Blue, this green metallic could sway me away from that if I were to spec a new Porsche (if I won the lottery, anyway).

Just for giggles, went to the Build Your Porsche Site and with limited options, avoiding the pricey and what some consider essential items like the lightweight bucket seats ($7700 & somewhat unpleasant to get in and out of every day) and ceramic brakes ($10,000+) I still end up at a healthy $276k give or take. And if I had my way, those PITA center-lock wheels would go away as well.

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From the talk over at Rennlist, if you can even secure an allocation for a GT3T you're probably looking at anywhere from a $20k to $70k ADM or in lieu of that, a purchase at MSRP with substantial 'required' add-ons such as overpriced PPF, warranties or a Porsche exclusive design watch for $10k or just plain told "You need to add more options"...all scenarios that are apparently part of the GT car-buying process for many.

Nice cars but prices are getting a bit out of hand methinks; even a somewhat 'normal' 911 Cab is around $175k new. So much for the affordable mid-engine roadster like the Boxster that helped throw them a bit of a lifeline back in 1996 when they were nearing bankruptcy.
 
Wandered over to the main studio this morning and low and behold, there was sitting a brand new Oak Green Metallic GT3 Touring, with the cognac leather interior. While I had been a fan of Gentian Blue, this green metallic could sway me away from that if I were to spec a new Porsche (if I won the lottery, anyway).

Just for giggles, went to the Build Your Porsche Site and with limited options, avoiding the pricey and what some consider essential items like the lightweight bucket seats ($7700 & somewhat unpleasant to get in and out of every day) and ceramic brakes ($10,000+) I still end up at a healthy $276k give or take. And if I had my way, those PITA center-lock wheels would go away as well.

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From the talk over at Rennlist, if you can even secure an allocation for a GT3T you're probably looking at anywhere from a $20k to $70k ADM or in lieu of that, a purchase at MSRP with substantial 'required' add-ons such as overpriced PPF, warranties or a Porsche exclusive design watch for $10k or just plain told "You need to add more options"...all scenarios that are apparently part of the GT car-buying process for many.

Nice cars but prices are getting a bit out of hand methinks; even a somewhat 'normal' 911 Cab is around $175k new. So much for the affordable mid-engine roadster like the Boxster that helped throw them a bit of a lifeline back in 1996 when they were nearing bankruptcy.
$276,361 is chump change for some Influencers, I wouldn't personally buy a car like that, drive a slow car fast or drive a fast car slow........
 
I think I'd take a 911 Turbo in Gentian Blue with the standard nickel/gray wheels and black interior. Add on the heated steering wheel as the only real option.

While I'm not a fan of the picnic table wings they put on the GT3's these days, I think a higher performance 911 needs a spoiler of some sort...I did grow up in the years of the 930 generation 911 Turbo's with the whale-tail. A nice Carrera should be "slick", but step up to a Turbo or a GT3 and there needs to be something poking up above the engine cover!

I've never been a fan of the 911 Turbo, mainly because of how muffled they sound compared to the naturally aspirated engines. I say the same thing about the 3.0T engine used in the Carrera models. The raw, unfiltered and REAL sound of those N/A cars holds way more appeal than the extra torque and performance that comes with the turbocharged 911's. That's why I love the Touring spec of the GT3, you get the killer engine without the wings and plastic body add-ons. I know they serve a function, but they just aren't for me. Likewise, the dorks who order or fit a roll cage to their GT3's but never actually put it on a racetrack.

I've posted this a few times, my 911 would be a GT3 Touring with PDK, in either British Racing Green or Irish Racing Green, and pair it with a red interior, the standard seats (no need for the carbon buckets for road use), silver wheels, chrome window trims, and probably carbon ceramics.

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I've never been a fan of the 911 Turbo, mainly because of how muffled they sound compared to the naturally aspirated engines. I say the same thing about the 3.0T engine used in the Carrera models. The raw, unfiltered and REAL sound of those N/A cars holds way more appeal than the extra torque and performance that comes with the turbocharged 911's. That's why I love the Touring spec of the GT3, you get the killer engine without the wings and plastic body add-ons. I know they serve a function, but they just aren't for me. Likewise, the dorks who order or fit a roll cage to their GT3's but never actually put it on a racetrack.
I've never been a big "sound guy". Granted I'm looking at exhausts for my BRZ simply because the OEM one is...um...not great, but in general I prefer a more quiet experience regardless of how fast I'm going and working the car.

These days I look at 911's more as a GT car than a track weapon, which is why I like the more civilized experience of the Turbo vs a GT3. I don't necessarily want a semi-track car for on-road duty. The 911, for me, is a road car I drive to work or fun weekend trips. If I'm going to get deep into HPDE/racing I'd go with something much easier to drive and less expensive to run like my BRZ or a Miata. Both of those scratch the itch of driving a manual transmission too. If I'm hustling something the size and power of any upper 911 I want paddles and the PDK.

All based on a fictitious income level way beyond what I'm at today and plenty of garage space...
 
I've never been a big "sound guy". Granted I'm looking at exhausts for my BRZ simply because the OEM one is...um...not great, but in general I prefer a more quiet experience regardless of how fast I'm going and working the car.

These days I look at 911's more as a GT car than a track weapon, which is why I like the more civilized experience of the Turbo vs a GT3. I don't necessarily want a semi-track car for on-road duty. The 911, for me, is a road car I drive to work or fun weekend trips. If I'm going to get deep into HPDE/racing I'd go with something much easier to drive and less expensive to run like my BRZ or a Miata. Both of those scratch the itch of driving a manual transmission too. If I'm hustling something the size and power of any upper 911 I want paddles and the PDK.

All based on a fictitious income level way beyond what I'm at today and plenty of garage space...
Has Nameless been in your search

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I've never been a big "sound guy". Granted I'm looking at exhausts for my BRZ simply because the OEM one is...um...not great, but in general I prefer a more quiet experience regardless of how fast I'm going and working the car.

Very interesting point, and proof that we all get something different out of our common hobby.

I'd say engine sound and feel sits at the top of my list when it comes to cars. To me, the engine forms the majority of a cars character, which then becomes a make or break deal. For example, I've owned or driven cars that were extremely capable as a total package, excellent ride, handling, steering, braking, styling, interior presentation, up to date technology...........................but I ended up not falling in love because of how bland they sounded.

The problem is, over the last 15-years, engines have become more and more sanitized and standardized across the car industry, so they all do roughly the same thing, and all sound virtually identical. Which is such a shame because the decade prior to that was the golden age of internal combustion cars and engines. The V10 Lexus LFA, N/A Ferrari V8's, the BMW M V8 & V10, the E46 M3 3.2, the naturally aspirated flat 6 Porche's, V8 and V12 Aston Martin's, Jaguar's, 5.4 and 6.3 V8 AMG's, VW VR6, hell even that throbby beat of a flat-4 Subaru WRX.

While I waited two years for Ford to build me a Mustang, I had the Supra and BMW M2 on my list. I've always wanted a BMW inline 6, and both Supra and M2 would have been a far better quality proposition, but I just cannot stand that fake engine sound they pump into the cabin through the speakers. The engines themselves have that lovely inline 6 rasp, the fake noise isn't needed. All they have done is made a REAL car sound like a racing simulator. I ended up staying with a Mustang because of the naturally aspirated a sound and feel.

I'm not entirely sure why, but engines have always fascinated me. I grew up in a country where "everyone talks V8, but drive a 6". In a basic sense, your first car was a 6-cylinder Falcon or Commodore, and if you were that way inclined, you go on to have a V8 at some point. And I certainly followed that path, but I always loved the diversity of different engine layouts and cylinder counts.

Back in the mid-2000's, I remember being at a car event in town and a fabled E46 M3 CSL turned up. While I was having an eargasm as it punted around a short gymkhana course, my mate thought it sounded like crap. What! No! Never! If you looked up "induction sound" in the dictionary, there would be a picture of the 3.2 M3 CSL engine. Probably my holy grail engine.


Then there is the Jaguar 5.0 V8, at its best in the F-Type R or SVR. This is one of those rare occasions where the induction and exhaust notes were equally good, as apposed to one dominating the other. And note how JLR keep the character in their forced induction engines, don't get me started on AMG and BMW turbo V8's, total trash. How could you not fall in love with the sound of that engine.


While on the V8, I've always had a thing for the Lexus 5.0 V8 as used in the ISF, GSF, RCF and LC500. By no means is it the most powerful engine, or as fast as a German competitor, but at least I'd enjoy listening to it. Again, induction and exhaust, oh and that rev limiter sound is just epic. Who would have thought Lexus could make such a beast.


And a long-term dream car, the old 5.9 Mondeo V12 used in the Aston Martin DB9. The earlier examples were better.


And while on Porsche, I'd actually take the GT4 RS over the 911's. While they technically have the same 4.0 flat-6, the GT4's version has that metallic rasp over the last 1000 revs. Apparently, it's so loud that it can be quite fatiguing. This one is all induction note for me, the exhaust is ok but not where its best heard from.


Anyway, I'll never be in a position to buy any of those dream cars. Still, its nice to dream via Youtube.
 
I would put throttle feel right up there with sound, both induction and exhaust, and engine feel. Two of my previous cars were drive-by-wire, the VZ SV6 and the VE Sportswagon, and the more I drove them the less I liked the setup, there was a hesitation built in off the mark, and when traction control cut in the accelerator became useless. The VY Cross 8 with the LS1 that I had in between those two was throttle-by-cable, and it was great, no hesitation and the traction control only applied the brakes to whichever wheel was spinning, it didn't stop the throttle at all, but that vehicle was AWD. Now the FJ is drive-by-wire, but it doesn't have any of the issues the others had, throttle action is instantaneous, and the traction control only cuts power from the pedal if both rear wheels are spinning, and only after it lets them spin up for a bit, if only one spins up it feathers the brake on that wheel, and if I switch it to 4-high it doesn't really lose traction, and in 4-low, a whole new traction system kicks in, called ATRAC, which I haven't had much experience with because it just doesn't lose traction in 4-low.
 
I would put throttle feel right up there with sound, both induction and exhaust, and engine feel. Two of my previous cars were drive-by-wire, the VZ SV6 and the VE Sportswagon, and the more I drove them the less I liked the setup, there was a hesitation built in off the mark, and when traction control cut in the accelerator became useless. The VY Cross 8 with the LS1 that I had in between those two was throttle-by-cable, and it was great, no hesitation and the traction control only applied the brakes to whichever wheel was spinning, it didn't stop the throttle at all, but that vehicle was AWD. Now the FJ is drive-by-wire, but it doesn't have any of the issues the others had, throttle action is instantaneous, and the traction control only cuts power from the pedal if both rear wheels are spinning, and only after it lets them spin up for a bit, if only one spins up it feathers the brake on that wheel, and if I switch it to 4-high it doesn't really lose traction, and in 4-low, a whole new traction system kicks in, called ATRAC, which I haven't had much experience with because it just doesn't lose traction in 4-low.

2002 - 2008 BA and BF Falcon's have the deadest throttle pedal I've ever come across. That was the first model with drive-by-wire, used on both the 6's and V8's. As you say, those early drive-by-wire systems were completely dead with a pronounced delay.

That changed for FG Falcon, Ford really sharpened up the response. Ford tuned it to be quite aggressive within the first movement travel, so it wasn't linear. That means it would leap off the line, even in sedate driving and is something that still catches me out. They did this give the car a sportier feel, make it more responsive. For the move to a higher emission standard in mid 2010 and improve fuel economy numbers, Ford reprogrammed the throttle map to be more progressive, basically took the sting out the car.
 
I've been lucky, my past 3 cars have had great, stock exhaust systems (FIAT 500 Abarth/Elantra Sport & Elantra N) That said, I "tweaked" them all (mandrel bend axle-back w/o a muffler still for the Abarth w/larger tips, tuned axle-back for the ES and yes, even my EN got upgraded w/larger mid-pipe w/o resonater and real CF, tuned exhaust tips)...took the sound to 11

All 3 cars, especially the Abarth & N, are/were an event everytime they're started up! Walking out and knowing what your going to hear NEVER EVER gets old

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2002 - 2008 BA and BF Falcon's have the deadest throttle pedal I've ever come across. That was the first model with drive-by-wire, used on both the 6's and V8's. As you say, those early drive-by-wire systems were completely dead with a pronounced delay.

That changed for FG Falcon, Ford really sharpened up the response. Ford tuned it to be quite aggressive within the first movement travel, so it wasn't linear. That means it would leap off the line, even in sedate driving and is something that still catches me out. They did this give the car a sportier feel, make it more responsive. For the move to a higher emission standard in mid 2010 and improve fuel economy numbers, Ford reprogrammed the throttle map to be more progressive, basically took the sting out the car.
I worked with a guy that bought a Ford Territory about a year after they came on the market, maybe an 05 or 06. He had it for about 3 years and at least 3 times the throttle-by-wire system failed. Each time it was sitting at a red light, when he got the green, he put his foot down and nothing happened, foot flat to the floor and it just sat there idling away. The first two times he restarted it and it reset, the third time it was dead, till it got to the dealer in a row truck, and it started up and drove fine. Ford said it couldn't happen, it was a triple redundant system. So he traded it in at a different dealer, didn't mention the throttle issue.
 
Very interesting point, and proof that we all get something different out of our common hobby.

I'd say engine sound and feel sits at the top of my list when it comes to cars. To me, the engine forms the majority of a cars character, which then becomes a make or break deal. For example, I've owned or driven cars that were extremely capable as a total package, excellent ride, handling, steering, braking, styling, interior presentation, up to date technology...........................but I ended up not falling in love because of how bland they sounded.
I probably should clarify my comment about sound. I like to hear other people's car's with a good sounding exhaust as they drive by or on the track. The wail of a Ferrari V12, or the roar of a proper V8 is a magical experience. However, I don't want to be in the car making all that noise. Much of it is probably because I have only one car. It has to get me to work and back, takes multi-hour road trips AND does fun things like back-road blasts and autocross. I appreciate peace and quiet while doing the mundane things in life. If I had the ability to run multiple cars, I'd probably be more than happy to put something more extroverted in the car dedicated to fun.

100% agreement on the fake engine noise. If you make a which is quiet on the inside, our you've muffled the exhaust note with turbo's and exhaust, just accept it and make the tone out back the nicest you can. The fake stuff is always terrible. I've had three cars so far with fake noise and all three have been disabled.

I would put throttle feel right up there with sound, both induction and exhaust, and engine feel. Two of my previous cars were drive-by-wire, the VZ SV6 and the VE Sportswagon, and the more I drove them the less I liked the setup, there was a hesitation built in off the mark, and when traction control cut in the accelerator became useless.

The throttle feel in my last BMW 4-series was pretty terrible too. In normal mode it was linear, but slow to respond. In any of the sport modes it would start slow for the first 1/8 of the throttle and then ramp up really steeply. Made it a nightmare to modulate on the autocross course.

Suspension and steering with brakes as a close third are the things I obsess over these days. So many cars may seem to ride smooth, but the suspension will float, roll, or generally wallow a bit while you go down the road. I've recently had two Chevy SUV's as rentals for work trips and they were both garbage from a suspension standpoint (and others...). I've given up on steering feel in the world of electronic steering. These days I just want it to be firm, precise, with little/no delay off the center. As for brakes I like them firm, linear, and with excess capacity. It seems many SUV's these days are really under-braked.
 
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