First large order, any input?

Mallowpuff said:
Also, does anyone have opinions on LC vs Boss pads? In the 5.5" I am looking almost half the price for the LC Flat pads
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I never tried the boss pad but I heard many good things about it when used with the GG machines. I have several types of machine ( standard DA, gear driven DA, Long throw DA, rotary) from various companies. I need pads that can jump from machine to machine. I find the LC Forced Hybrid to works well on average across my range of polishers. Trust me.... I tried quite a few pad manufactures in the past. It works the best with a gear driven machine. The LC forced Hybrid pads are pretty durable too so I dont currently have any reasons to change.

I say get the best deal you can. GG makes pretty good products and it is a company I trust.
 
What about six 6" and six 5" pads? I noticed the 6 pack of BOSS 5" is OOS. If you guys think all should be 5", I'll most likely go mostly LC.

Other than that, still figuring polish/compound and I'll be done.

EDIT: I am thinking BOSS Correcting Cream/Fast CC and Menzerna Super Finish Plus.

Thanks!
 
Mallowpuff said:
What about six 6" and six 5" pads? I noticed the 6 pack of BOSS 5" is OOS. If you guys think all should be 5", I'll most likely go mostly LC.

Other than that, still figuring polish/compound and I'll be done.

EDIT: I am thinking BOSS Correcting Cream/Fast CC and Menzerna Super Finish Plus.

Thanks!
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You can do that and use the larger ones on bigger/flatter panels. But remember you’ll have to switch backing plates each time you change pad size. That may or may not annoy you as you have to stop the flow to do that. I did that in the beginning switching from 5.5” to 3.5” and back, that got old pretty quick.
 
If this is just for a Miata, you could probably skip the 6".
 
Mallowpuff said:
What about six 6" and six 5" pads? I noticed the 6 pack of BOSS 5" is OOS. If you guys think all should be 5", I'll most likely go mostly LC.

Other than that, still figuring polish/compound and I'll be done.

EDIT: I am thinking BOSS Correcting Cream/Fast CC and Menzerna Super Finish Plus.

Thanks!
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Buff and Shine Uro-tec are good pads too. The 6" pad has a 5" backing which is what you want.


If you are going with the BOSS creams I'd get Fast Correcting Cream and Perfecting Cream first as the two you'll use most for your 2 step corrections. Then you can add Correcting Cream for your first step on softer paints or possibly one step on harder paints.

Menzerna polish is oily and DAT based (abrasives are stuck together into larger chunks and break apart into smaller pieces by heat as you buff - extending the range of correction->finishing capability). You'll need to work the polish until the abrasives are broken apart for best results. Usually not a problem.

BOSS creams are great IMO and they are SMAT based (abrasives start uniform in size and do not break apart throughout the buffing cycle). Buff as long as you need to get the correction/finishing result. Allows you to use fewer passes if that's all it takes. Some people have a preference and some people don't care. I see no reason to grab Super Finish plus over Perfecting Cream if you are getting the other BOSS creams. I'd just stick with the same family of polish and focus on technique.

Either way you go just sharing that I've used both and I would not go back to Menzerna polish after using the BOSS creams. I am more partial to SMAT based polishes though but others have posted that they feel the same way.

All that said if someone was just starting and didn't want to spend a lot of money to have product sitting on the shelf I'd recommend they just buy 3D ONE and just change the pad for what you are trying to do. 3D ONE will likely not cut as well as Fast Correcting Cream with the same pad, but I've found it finishes about the same as Perfecting Cream when I compared side-by-side on the same paints.

Everyone has a preference and there are lots of options so you will likely get a lot of different recommendations.

EDIT: Added more detail to my comments.
 
dwaleke said:
Buff and Shine Uro-tec are good pads too. If those are stocked in the 5" size.


If you are going with the BOSS creams I'd get Fast Correcting Cream and Perfecting Cream first as the two you'll use most. Then you can add correcting cream for your first step on softer paints or possibly one step on harder paints.

Menzerna polish is oily and DAT based. BOSS creams are great and they are SMAT based. Some people have a preference and some people don't care. I see no reason to grab Super Finish plus over Perfecting Cream.

I've used both and I wouldn't go back to Menzerna polish after using the BOSS creams. I am more partial to SMAT based polishes though but others have posted that they feel the same way.

All that said it someone was just starting and didn't want to spend a lot of money to have product sitting on the shelf I'd recommend they just buy 3D ONE and just change the pad for what you are trying to do. Unless you have really hard clear coat it'll likely be your go to polish.
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I'll look at those pads.

And I see.. I was hoping to go with something available on AG(So not perfecting polish) because Amazon is like $6 overpriced on it, but I can go that route. I was also looking at the 3D stuff, they looked great but since it advertises itself as an all-in-one type compound/finish, I assumed it was a gimmicky product. However, I really only hear positive things about 3D Products.

EDIT: The Uro-Cell pads come in 5 inch but say to use a 4 inch backing plate. The 6 inch say to use a 5 inch backing pad.
 
I've used the BOSS pads and while they are stout and work well, I find that their ultra-thin profile makes it harder to buff curved panels. The G9 has plenty of torque and doesn't necessarily benefit from the thinner construction. I prefer the Buff and Shine Uro-Tec pads personally, but regular LC or B&S flat pads work very very well and is hard to argue the price.

You can get a 12-pack of LC flat pads for the same price as a 6-pack of boss pads, and in this case I think having multiple pads of different grades is optimal. Maybe grab a 12-pack of LC flats and get 5 orange, 4 white, and maybe a couple blues and a black for finer finishing and waxing. You never know how the paint is going to react to which foam and polish grade until you do your test spots, so having different foams will help you dial in your process!
 
Mallowpuff said:
I'll look at those pads.

And I see.. I was hoping to go with something available on AG(So not perfecting polish) because Amazon is like $6 overpriced on it, but I can go that route. I was also looking at the 3D stuff, they looked great but since it advertises itself as an all-in-one type compound/finish, I assumed it was a gimmicky product. However, I really only hear positive things about 3D Products.

EDIT: The Uro-Cell pads come in 5 inch but say to use a 4 inch backing plate. The 6 inch say to use a 5 inch backing pad.
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Hmm.. Very odd that Autogeek does not have Perfecting Cream. I thought they carried all the BOSS creams.

3D ONE is not a gimmick. If anything (to me) it is more like a medium cut polish that can finish like a finish polish just by changing the pads. So I see it more like Griot's Correcting Cream with a cutting pad that can finish like Perfecting Cream by using a light polishing pad. Using only one liquid instead of two. Excellent for 1 step paint enhancement type work where ultimate correction and ultimate finishing is not expected.

If something needs more serious correction though I prefer to use Fast Correcting Cream, 3D ACA 500, Sonax Cut Max, etc. Something dedicated to more correction. And the same goes on the other extreme with some finicky soft paints that might require a dedicated finish polish.

If I had to choose between Fast Correcting Cream/Perfecting Cream or 3D ONE I'd still pick the Griot's twins.

For the pads go by the size of the velcro (hook and loop) backing. If you have a 5" backing plate on the machine then you want pads with a 5" hook and loop backing on them.
 
crg001 said:
I've used the BOSS pads and while they are stout and work well, I find that their ultra-thin profile makes it harder to buff curved panels. The G9 has plenty of torque and doesn't necessarily benefit from the thinner construction. I prefer the Buff and Shine Uro-Tec pads personally, but regular LC or B&S flat pads work very very well and is hard to argue the price.

You can get a 12-pack of LC flat pads for the same price as a 6-pack of boss pads, and in this case I think having multiple pads of different grades is optimal. Maybe grab a 12-pack of LC flats and get 5 orange, 4 white, and maybe a couple blues and a black for finer finishing and waxing. You never know how the paint is going to react to which foam and polish grade until you do your test spots, so having different foams will help you dial in your process!
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Thanks!! I'll consider the flat pads. They are definitely super cheap compared to BOSS pads.

dwaleke said:
Hmm.. Very odd that Autogeek does not have Perfecting Cream. I thought they carried all the BOSS creams.

3D ONE is not a gimmick. If anything (to me) it is more like a medium cut polish that can finish like a finish polish just by changing the pads. So I see it more like Griot's Correcting Cream with a cutting pad that can finish like Perfecting Cream by using a light polishing pad. Using only one liquid instead of two. Excellent for 1 step paint enhancement type work where ultimate correction and ultimate finishing is not expected.

If something needs more serious correction though I prefer to use Fast Correcting Cream, 3D ACA 500, Sonax Cut Max, etc. Something dedicated to more correction. And the same goes on the other extreme with some finicky soft paints that might require a dedicated finish polish.

If I had to choose between Fast Correcting Cream/Perfecting Cream or 3D ONE I'd still pick the Griot's twins.

For the pads go by the size of the velcro (hook and loop) backing. If you have a 5" backing plate on the machine then you want pads with a 5" hook and loop backing on them.
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Thanks for the info. I attached a couple pics, you can tell it needs some love.. It is getting some paint work done but a lot of it is this bad(dents are getting fixed). I am looking at all of these different compounds/polishes, there are so many that all say they do the same thing. Like 10+, it's pretty confusing lol

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Mallowpuff said:
I'll look at those pads.

I was also looking at the 3D stuff, they looked great but since it advertises itself as an all-in-one type compound/finish, I assumed it was a gimmicky product. However, I really only hear positive things about 3D Products.
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I switched from Menzerna to 3D one. Its not a gimmick. The product gives me great flexibility with my collection of machines and pads. Regardless of which liquid you chooses... it takes practice and patience to learn the techniques to take full advantage of all its capabilities.
 
psnt1ol said:
I switched from Menzerna to 3D one. Its not a gimmick. The product gives me great flexibility with my collection of machines and pads. Regardless of which liquid you chooses... it takes practice and patience to learn the techniques to take full advantage of all its capabilities.
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Did you take a look at my pictures? In your opinion, would 3D One with an aggressive pad be able to work on that? Then down to a polish pad or something. Because a one step liquid thing sounds very nice to me.
 
Mallowpuff said:
Did you take a look at my pictures? In your opinion, would 3D One with an aggressive pad be able to work on that? Then down to a polish pad or something. Because a one step liquid thing sounds very nice to me.
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3D ONE might work with a less aggressive pad. Those swirls in your pics are very minor.

Always start with the least aggressive pad/product, and if that does not give you the results you are looking for, then step up the levels of aggressiveness.
 
PaulMys said:
3D ONE might work with a less aggressive pad. Those swirls in your pics are very minor.

Always start with the least aggressive pad/product, and if that does not give you the results you are looking for, then step up the levels of aggressiveness.
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Sounds good. I think I'm going with 3d One. I'll get a variety of pads from light cutting to polishing.
 
Mallowpuff said:
Sounds good. I think I'm going with 3d One. I'll get a variety of pads from light cutting to polishing.
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Sounds good.

The hardest part of this whole process is deciding which products to try first. There are so many options, but only you can decide in the end.

And, only you will be able to tell if they are working for you once you put the pad to the paint.
 
Mallowpuff said:
Did you take a look at my pictures? In your opinion, would 3D One with an aggressive pad be able to work on that? Then down to a polish pad or something. Because a one step liquid thing sounds very nice to me.
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To be honest... its hard for me to make that determination from just looking at those 2 pics. The paint looks dull and I couldnt tell if it is swirl out. It doesnt look that bad from what I saw. Do a test spot prior to confirm your approach. Mazda as well as most Japanese brands generally have soft paint so I think it should work.

3D One is pretty capable. Its little cousin 3D Speed (AIO-polish and wax) is a product I used a lot for a One Step (polish and wax) when the budget doesnt call for a multi-step correction.

Here is a range rover I did a few months back (3D Speed with a orange LC forced hybrid pad on a gear driven DA).

https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/128139-2018-range-rover-evoque.html?highlight=evoque
 
to OP...

I didnt mean to cause any more confusion by throwing another product in t the mix. I just want to make the point that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
 
psnt1ol said:
To be honest... its hard for me to make that determination from just looking at those 2 pics. The paint looks dull and I couldnt tell if it is swirl out. It doesnt look that bad from what I saw. Do a test spot prior to confirm your approach. Mazda as well as most Japanese brands generally have soft paint so I think it should work.

3D One is pretty capable. Its little cousin 3D Speed (AIO-polish and wax) is a product I used a lot for a One Step (polish and wax) when the budget doesnt call for a multi-step correction.

Here is a range rover I did a few months back (3D Speed with a orange LC forced hybrid pad on a gear driven DA).

https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/128139-2018-range-rover-evoque.html?highlight=evoque
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Yeah I was considering the multipack of HD Speed and ONE but after reading, I think I need to skip HD Speed because I am doing a ceramic coating. I mean I could go wax instead of ceramic coating as well..
 
Mallowpuff said:
Yeah I was considering the multipack of HD Speed and ONE but after reading, I think I need to skip HD Speed because I am doing a ceramic coating. I mean I could go wax instead of ceramic coating as well..
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You are correct about Speed. No need to lay down a layer of Montan wax that you have to remove before using a coating. That is working backwards.

But if you decide on using a wax or sealant, Speed is also capable of removing more defects than some people think. All depends on the pad(s).
 
Like I said.... There is more than one way to skin a cat. LOL

Regardless of which direction you are going with.... have fun doing it.
 
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