First time detailing Mercedes

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This weekend I plan on attacking my own 2008 white mercedes c300. I've read about the hard clear and purchased from AG menzerna super intensive polish and super finish 4000 ceramic intro kit. I have a harbor freight DA. The paint overall is in good condition but has swirls and the hood especially need some tlc. My question is do I need to use a paint cleaner (I usually use mothers pre wax cleaner) before the menzerna products as they are all polishes?

Second would I use the super intensive polish on all body panels or only the ones that need more help like the hood? The order I was thinking to follow, but not totally sure is
Wash
Clay
Mothers pre wax - white lc pad - whole car
Menzerna SIP - orange lc pad - only panel that need it
Menzerna super finish - gray lc pad - whole car
Mothers sealer and glaze - gray lc pad - whole car
Mothers carnauba - blue?- whole car

Sorry for being a total noob!

Thanks

Mike
 
Best bet is to do a test spot first as always. Least aggressive then move up if need to. I have a 2011 C300 lined up for this weekend and will still approach it with a test spot using the least aggressive method.

With that said, I have some experience with these particular cars and here's what has worked for me:

- Wolfgang Uber and D300 has worked for me as one step with Meg's Microfiber cutting pad.

- Ultimate Compound with Meg's MF cutting pad, Lake Country white polishing pad with Ultimate Polish for the two punch combo.

- M101 with Orange cutting pad, M205 with a white polishing pad.

- FG400 on a Cyan Hydrotech pad, SF4500 with Tangerine Hydrotech pad.

The paint on these cars are on the medium-harder side. Haven't ran into one that was super soft yet.

You do not need to buy a pre wax, sealer glaze, then a carnauba wax. Pick the protection and move on.
 
Thanks for the reply

So If I used the two Menzerna products I would not need to use the pre-wax cleaner first and would not need to seal after the polish?

Thanks

Mike
 
does your car have the ceramic finish on it, look at the paint code and check if there is a "c" in the paint code. if is does there is a thread on here about it, but start with the least aggressive method and do a few test spots and find what works for you
 
Thanks for the reply

So If I used the two Menzerna products I would not need to use the pre-wax cleaner first and would not need to seal after the polish?

Thanks

Mike

Not at all, unless you want to. I usually just make sure all surfaces are clean via IPA or Carpro eraser before applying any form of protection, be it wax, sealant, or coating.
 
Hey guys, thanks for the advice. I confirmed that my car has the ceramiclear so I'm going to try a test area with the least aggressive first, see how it looks. The last time I detailed, before winter I used mothers three step by hand, car looked good but did no correction to the problem areas. Hopefully the DA will do its job. I'm pumped to give it a go!
 
Hey guys, thanks for the advice. I confirmed that my car has the ceramiclear so I'm going to try a test area with the least aggressive first, see how it looks. The last time I detailed, before winter I used mothers three step by hand, car looked good but did no correction to the problem areas. Hopefully the DA will do its job. I'm pumped to give it a go!
you dont need the pre wax cleaner but u need to seal with something after polish. either a wax or sealant
 
So after Clay, should I start with Menzerna super finish first or go right into the super intensive polish but with a pad with less cut (white)?
 
Only way to know is doing the test spot.

Since SF4000 is my favorite polish, I try to handle the work with it always I can, I'd start with it - a pleasure to use, and a finish to be proud around bragging... (it's not bragging because you will be able to back it up).

I can't say if I'd start with a finishing or polishing pad, but let's go for reasoning around this one.

If you take a brief look at this honda thread (you can look at threads after reading my write up in here for best insights):
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...-full-detail-pbl-coating-coating-booster.html

Knowing 'historically' that Honda paint may be on soft side, and defects were mild/fine, I've started using a finishing pad and SF4000. Worked that way, no step up.

Now to your case. Knowing 'historically' that the paint you'll be working may be on the hard side, I'd start using a polishing pad (generally white) and SF4000 - (if you need some guidance about technique using it, I may give you more light on that).

However, that may depend a lot on severity of defects you're trying to remove.

If car is really Thrashed, I may not start a test spot with a finishing pad but a polishing pad. On my reasoning, car is in need of polishing, not 'refinement finish'. From this spot, you may have the answer to maintain, step up or down. I may start with finishing pad when I'm dealing with other guy's instilled holograms, since 'basically what lacked was a proper finishing work'. Got my point?

However, it's very unlikely (to me) start a test spot right from compound and cutting pad. It's always best to see if a polishing approach will get you there first.

I mean, if I see a thrashed paint, it's very unlikely a wax applied on gold jeweling pad will solve the defects. I extrapolate the 'use least abrasive method first' to 'I use the least abrasive method that I believe based on experience will be able to tackle the defects'. Small test spot, I get my answer in a minute.

Even while doing test spot, stop after 2-3 passes to observe what's happening, restart, and pay huge attention to what you're doing.

Please, note, the above is not a rule, just some ideas for you to add on your reasoning while trying to decide.

Some tips about SF4000:

If you use it on white pad, speed 5, pressure, slow arm speed, 4-6 passes, and it's barely removing anything, it may indicates you are dealing with harder finishes.

Trying to speed up even more with SF4000 (6, max. polisher speed), adding TONS of pressure is not the way to work SF4000, a finishing polish (however with decent cutting capabilities depending on paint being worked).

If the above won't work, you may step up product on white pad, and not try to get compound cut on SF4000, like using it on wool pad...

On this reasoning, I prefer using FG400 and white pad on speed 4 (relaxed, effectively) than using SF4000 on cutting pad and speed 6, struggling.

Again, nothing to be generalized, just to add for your reasoning.

An exception to the above, I've stepped up to blue light cutting pad + SF4000 on parts of this car I've detailed recently, since white and SF4000 was not tackling the more severe defects:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ll-detailed-pinnacle-black-label-coating.html

I've stepped up pad in this case, not product, since I was needing 'just a bit, very little more' from SF4000.

However, if you notice, I've selected the white pads and SF4000 to start the test spot, not the 'gray finishing pads'. Defects looked ugly under the sun, and Corolla (at least in my area) presents generally harder paint than related on the web (not hard, but harder than I read people commenting).

That said, not trying to make it look rocket science, in contrary, it's much harder to write about it than to actually do it.

You just got to have in mind that detailing is indeed a very mental activity, not (only) an intensive physical task of grinding the paint. It's also a form of art.

Hope that helps, please, feel free to ask regarding what I've wrote above.

Kind Regards.
 
Tato, wow great write up! Really helpful an appreciate the time you took. 2 Questions:

If both seeds w SF4000/white pad do not remove the faults, go to SF4000 with orange and repeat or go right into SIP1500 with white pad speed 5?

Also is there any issues using different products on the same pad i.e. SF4000 and SIP1500 without cleaning the pad?

Thank you

Mike
 
From my distance, I'd say to change polish and maintain white pad. If even doing this is not enough, you may then step up pad to orange, maintaining SIP1500.

If needed afterwards (and it is in your plans doing 2-steps), you may finish with SF4000 on gray/black finishing pad.

However, when you be doing the test spot everything may be different from what's written. That's why I emphasize the importance of knowing what you're doing to make the best decision.

Now to the second question:
Assuming the risk of saying some 'stupidity',

I'd say if you just used ~4 drops of SF4000 for a test spot, brushed the pad and cleaned it on the fly with a MF/terry towel, a step up in product on same pad will not be an issue.

I would not do the opposite (stepping down product within same pad used for coarser product testing), but I'm OCD.

I'm just encouraging you because when I had few pads it was really important to preserve one pad, and not 'burn' any for a test spot that will need further exploration.

That said, starting with finer product, I'd follow with a coarser one after general cleansing listed above to keep doing the test spot. Not the opposite, and not after using pad for more sections.

Clear?

I'm also here to learn with anyone that criticizes my point above.

Kind Regards.
 
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