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I have been buying from AutoGeek for about a year now and have never posted. I am posting due to something that came up when I was checking in to getting my son's car repaied and painted. I have a guy that does mobile bodywork but mainly works for the dealerships in the area. He has done work for me in the past and it has been top notch. He used to manage a body repair shop and he is very knowledgeable.

My son's car needed a little body work but the main problem is the paint peeling on the hood. (Apparenly it had been painted before. Can't catch everything on carfax) It is a Volvo and I checked with the dealership and my guy there told me there were no paint problems with that car. So my body guy asked me first if I waxed the car alot which unfortunately I have not with this car. I asked why and he said that may have caused the hood to have the paint problems also. So i asked him what i should be doing if I shouldn't be waxing. He told me about this stuff called ultraluster and I should use that. I had never heard of it and looked it up online. I was just wondering if anybody has heard of it used it and wether it is any better. I have used the pinnacle products and followed the steps in the videos on the Autogeek site and have never had a problem. Now that has only been a year. I have been thourouly impressed especially since not knowing really how to detail a car. So I guess his comments and the other stuff make me wonder a little. Does anybody know about this product or wether it's worth it? Once again, I am not trying to promote it, I was just curious after finally thinking I was doing everything correctly now.
 
Never heard of the stuff!! Chances are that when the hood was resprayed that it wasn't done properly and the paint didn't adhear to the metal/primer properly! If you are using pinnacle products and using them properly as demonstrated in the videos here, you are giving your vehicle some top notch care. So don't feel that what you are doing is/was wrong...just got a case of a bad paint job! And BTW welcome to the AG Forum!!
 
Never heard of the stuff either.

That's a new one on the excessive sealant/wax causing paint problems. I thought the stuff just sat on the surface.
 
Welcome:welcome:

Some say that waxing or sealing before the fresh paint can off gas (sometimes up to 3 months) the paint can get problematic adhesion wise. more likely that the car wasn't properly pre cleaned before the paint was sprayed. Some of the cheap chain paint shop's paint jobs have this problem. (Get what ya pay for stuff, don't want to mention names) ut oh..
 
that's a new one, I don't think companies such as meguiars and mothers would have been around as long as they have if that claim were true. I have never heard of that product and IMO I would stick to using the pinnacle products you have been using. Just my 2 pennies.
 
I don't think that excessive waxing would cause that problem. Like Dave said, if you waxed or sealed it right after it was painted (or previous owner) then that could be the problem and why it's peeling now. Or it could have just been a crappy paint job.

I've also never heard of the product that he told you to use.

Once you have the hood fixed, continue to use the Pinnacle products, or whatever waxes or sealants suits your needs.
 
Quality paint care products in general are not going to cause paint to fail, as pointed out, if that were the case then we wouldn't be where were at today and that's with hundreds, if not thousands of companies that make paint care products with some having been around since the inception of the car.


If the hood is the only area you see a problem, and you know or think the hood was repainted but not the rest of the panels, then that's a pretty good indicator that the problem is with the paint, not something you pour out of a bottle or scoop out of a can, especially if the rest of the panels were treated with the same paint care products and the paint on these panels is unaffected.

Have him repaint the hood if that's what you want and you like his work and then allow the paint to dry and harden for his recommended window of time and after that window of time has passed then seal the paint with your favorite wax or paint sealant.

A quick Google search found the ultra luster website and it appears to be company targeting the waterless wash market and for a small investment you can become a distributor.

The primary product is a spray-on, wipe off quick detailer and paint sealant in one product. Since it include what they call an "Acrylic Polymer", which will seal the paint just like any quality car wax or paint sealant product, if "wax" were the cause of the problem for the paint failing, then this product will do the same thing as it performs the same function.


And since this was your first post to our forum...

Welcome to Autogeek Online!

:welcome:
 
As many members will tell you, owning a body shop, being a painter, etc., doesn't mean that you know anything about paint care. That doesn't mean that the product he mentioned is bad, either, but no "wax" that you can buy at Autogeek or any other reputable supplier is going to make your paint peel off from excessive use.
 
Like several of the others above, I've never heard of this product either.

Painting

Proper painting requires both skill and knowledge. The final or finished results are directly related the the preparation of the substrate. Sanding with the proper grit paper to ensure a good bond between the old finish and new paint is a fundamental step.

Many paint jobs fail because of improper or poor cleaning prior to painting. Paint companies like Dupont make special chemicals for cleaning the surface that remove all waxes, silicone, oils, grease, and other contaminates.

Prep-Sol

If the finish is failing then it's more than likely to do with poor preparation whether cleaning or sanding or both.
 
I never heard of the stuff either. I would venture to say if the hood was repainted, it didn't have all the previous wax removed before painting, or not emough preparation. I think Mike is one of the best experts on paint care, and I would trust his opinion.
 
I am guessing that this "detailer" is also a "distributor" of the product he is recommending.
 
Thanks everyone. You all stated what i truly believed. I am an accountant by trade and no means a car expert. So sometimes I tend to be strayed by those who I believe to know what they are doing.
 
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