First time using a DA polisher experience

Yup, works great on mine too... Only problem is most people including myself didn't have 1 of these laying around the house. Do you know how long it took for me to finally get around to buying a pack of these silver Sharpies? Almost a whole year. Lol.

I suffer from the same fate except I found them on Amazon and they showed up two days later. Unfortunately, they are still in the blister pack of four and I need to to put the silver stripes on before I use the DA the next time.
 
So here's a tip...


Break up huge chuncks of text using your [ENTER] key once in a while and you'll get more people to actually read what you write and then you'll also bet more and better replies.



The above is all meant in good spirit to help everyone that "types" on any digital media.


Next I'll try to help answer your questions. First I had to edit your post just to make it easy for ME to read.


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In addition to these great points, hard line breaks are extremely annoying, shows bad form and should be avoided like the plague. Let vBulletin and your web browser handle formatting and word wrapping and you will make a lot more online friends that way and a lot fewer online detractors, too.
 
just to continue the side-topic topic...

See if your girlfriend or white has a light colored fingernail polish if you don't have a silver Sharpie

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I use car touch-up paint too. I have Dr. Color Chip White in the garage for all my classes.

(we always have at least one white car for my big 3-day classes)



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Yup, works great on mine too... Only problem is most people including myself didn't have 1 of these laying around the house. Do you know how long it took for me to finally get around to buying a pack of these silver Sharpies? Almost a whole year. Lol.

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I had those from having to autograph T shirts when I was in a more popular band. I ended up with some in one of my gig bags..
 
A small strip of silver duct tape would work just as well.
 
Why silver? White anything works just as fine.

I have black sharpie lines on my yellow BP's, so I used a yellow paint pen to mark my black ones.

And yes, I AM a little OCD. ;)
 
Would you be able to answer these questions please as these would really help me understand a few things in detailing.....

1. What is actually doing the cutting. the pad, compound or both? What has more effect?

2.what would happen if the polish or compound dries up and you keep polishing not knowing it and countinue to do 1-2 section passes too much?

3. Would would happen if You take a da with a cutting foam pad to the clear coat and start Buffing with no compound 2-3 section passsd?

4.i don't know exactly how much pressure to use when pushing down, if I just use a moderate pressure or just holding the machine against the paint would I get good results?

5. What would be a easier compound to work with with longer working times, m105 seemed to dry fast plus hard to see agiainst the silblver paint.

6. Would Using a wash and wax before Claying the car have any effect with having scratches and swirls after the entire process of compounding and polishing?

7.if you clean your pads with a brush and compressed air after every section pass, can you have good results using 1 cutting pad and 1 polish pad?

8. Are there any type of lights I can use to see swirls outside that aren't too expensive, I found it hard/impossible to see the swirls in the shade?

Thank you guys for the help. I really appreciate it. I will be practing over the weekend on the hood only and post back my results. Thank you again
 
Would you be able to answer these questions please as these would really help me understand a few things in detailing.....

1. What is actually doing the cutting. the pad, compound or both? What has more effect?

2.what would happen if the polish or compound dries up and you keep polishing not knowing it and countinue to do 1-2 section passes too much?

3. Would would happen if You take a da with a cutting foam pad to the clear coat and start Buffing with no compound 2-3 section passsd?

4.i don't know exactly how much pressure to use when pushing down, if I just use a moderate pressure or just holding the machine against the paint would I get good results?

5. What would be a easier compound to work with with longer working times, m105 seemed to dry fast plus hard to see agiainst the silblver paint.

6. Would Using a wash and wax before Claying the car have any effect with having scratches and swirls after the entire process of compounding and polishing?

7.if you clean your pads with a brush and compressed air after every section pass, can you have good results using 1 cutting pad and 1 polish pad?

Thank you guys for the help. I really appreciate it. I will be practing over the weekend on the hood only and post back my results. Thank you again

1. Both. It's my opinion that the compound has more effect than the pad, but then again I know people who love to cut with Megs M205 w/microfiber pads. I personally don't like to cut like that as I feel like it's overworking in everyway.

2. Mainly dust. Also it may be hard to wipe off.

3. I dunno, I've never done that.

4. If you just hold the machine against the paint [basically little to no pressure] you probably won't see much as far as defect removal. I don't care if it's a long throw polisher or what other people say... There's gotta be some pressure aka passion applied when compounding paint.

Since you say you've marked your backing plate, notice how fast it spins with no pressure [pretty fast] Then apply pressure to the point where that line circles slow enough for your eye to stay on it as it goes around... Its hard to describe, use your common sense.

5. Griots Garage Fast Correcting Compound. You can also try Meguiars Ultimate Compound which you can find locally. I'd start with the UC.

6. No

7. No. Not if you're removing considerable defects. Even if you blow out with compressed air, your cutting pad will eventually become too moist [for lack of a better word] and you can just feel when it's time to switch pads even if you've done all you can do to work clean.

Polishing step after compounding is more forgiving, but it's nice to have at least 2 pads for polishing.
 
You should've bought a 5" Lake Country backing plate, not the 6"

You should've bought some 5" Meguiars foam cutting pads along with their 5" polishing pads.

IMO silver is the most boring color known to man, and that alone is most likely playing a huge part in why you can't see results or even a difference from before/after... I drive a Light Metallic Green vehicle, it sucks, but silver's even worse.
 
My last car was silver, and while not my top choice, it looked pretty great after it was properly detailed.

I'd agree that Griots Fast Correcting Compound is much better to work with than M105.

Yes, you theoretically could get decent results with one pad if you kept cleaning it... except for one thing. The pad will heat up after a reasonable amount of use. Say, the hood or a couple doors. Even if you keep it clean, the heat will soften the pad reducing its cutting ability. That means you'd have to work it even harder to get the same results. And doing that will probably damage it by the time you're done. You'd need to keep it clean and cool in order to keep consistent results. Generally, that means taking long breaks. You'd just be better off having extra pads. 3 cutting pads is the minimum I'd have on hand. You might get by with 2 polishing pads for a two-step, but I'd say 3 there, too.

As for pressure, it obviously depends on the paint hardness and cutting ability of your pad/compound. But for initial correction, it needs to be pretty firm pressure in most cases. You adjust the pressure based on the number of passes needed to remove the defects. That's why you really need to have good light and are constantly paying attention as you polish. If the defects are gone after 4 passes, you're doing it right. If they're still there after 6 passes, you either need a lot more pressure or more aggressive product/pad. Ideally you want about 10lbs of pressure (very firm but not crushing the pad) and a pad/compound combination that removes the defects in 3-4 passes.

If you follow that up with a polish (two-stepping) you don't need as much pressure for the second step. The finer the polishing, the less pressure you apply. When guys go to a third 'jeweling' stage, they just use the weight of the machine.

And don't think you'll get 90% of the defects with the first stage and then the rest with a polishing stage. The second stage should only be necessary to remove any haze left by the first compound. Or, to bring out a higher gloss. All defects (that can be removed) should be removed in the first step.
 
Would you be able to answer these questions please as these would really help me understand a few things in detailing.....

1. What is actually doing the cutting. the pad, compound or both? What has more effect?

Compound abrasive mainly does the cutting but the pad will influence how the abrasive is spread and push into the paint. Some pad though is coarse enough to marred the surface though- e.g denim, velvet, and coarse wool/foam pad. Both compound and pad have to work hand in hand

2.what would happen if the polish or compound dries up and you keep polishing not knowing it and countinue to do 1-2 section passes too much?
If the compound is worked in evenly and the pad itself is clean and not coarse enough to do any damages, you can over buff without any problem because there will bound to have residual across the face of the pad.

The problem comes when dry compound and sharp abrasive like m105, is not worked in evenly and the emulsion dries up before the abrasive is disperse. Many other factors like dirty paint or dry paint will also cause the compound to not erode evenly. Then you will have chucks of dry compound gum together stuck into the paint. Many like me have the tenancy to add more pressure trying to remove the dried compound. You can do so if you have sufficient emulsifier on your paint/pad, if not, more emulsion will be dry up and the harder you will push the abrasive in. The gummed up area will be very hard to remove but the overworked area will have absolute gloss. Either use more m105 to fix those area or use your choice of finishing polish to remove the gummed up area.


3. Would would happen if You take a da with a cutting foam pad to the clear coat and start Buffing with no compound 2-3 section passsd?
It may or not may not marred depending on your clearcoat hardness and coarseness of pad. Even if it marred and look horrible, the eroded rate is likely to be low unless the pad is extremely coarse like denim etc.

4.i don't know exactly how much pressure to use when pushing down, if I just use a moderate pressure or just holding the machine against the paint would I get good results?
Depends what compound/machine, what you want to achieve and the technique you prefer. For Rotary, force rotation da and standard da, i would say start with about 3kg+- of pressure for cutting where the pad will have a slight compress look. You can use a weighing scale and test if you really want to be anal about it. Long throw polisher like Rupes is suppose to use mainly with little pressure as the wide orbit worked in the abrasive. The fastest way to learn in my opinion is to polish with extremely good lighting, observe how the polish behave and the result it gives and alter the technique from there.

5. What would be a easier compound to work with with longer working times, m105 seemed to dry fast plus hard to see agiainst the silblver paint.
Actually currently majority of the compound found in US and Europe have longer work time than m105. Many asian waterbased compound tend to be more dry (generalizing here). If you are doing 2 steps, just focus on removing defects with m105 then finish up with a finishing polish. If you still prefer something that works longer, then Meguiar m95, m101, m100 and even the older m85 all have longer work time than m105. If you want an even longer work time, FG400, Sonax, scholl concept, koch chemie and many many others.

6. Would Using a wash and wax before Claying the car have any effect with having scratches and swirls after the entire process of compounding and polishing?
Clay will have high chance of marring as it is still mechanically working on the paint. You can reduce the risk by highly lubricating the surface which i assume the reason you mentioned wash and wax. Still, I wouldnt count on it to avoid scratches and more so if your paint is soft.

7.if you clean your pads with a brush and compressed air after every section pass, can you have good results using 1 cutting pad and 1 polish pad?
Depends what compound and pad. With dry emulsion compound/ asian dry compound and wool pad, it will have alot less residue gumming on the pad (more dusting though). Cleaning with compress air and tornado blow gun regularly without washing at all is sufficient as wool can maintained its form. Do not drag too many panels or leave dry compound overnight on the wool before blowing out as it will twist and harden the fiber. Doing with solely brush will not be thorough.
If you use wetter emulsion compound like FG400, Sonax, Scholl concept etc then cleaning with compress air itself without washing will not be enough in my opinion. So yes 1 wool pad for certain case is enough.

Pad however absorb compound more than wool and almost impossible to blow out clean. Brush will remove dust like residue but ineffective to clean away the emulsion. When pad gets saturated, you lose cut as it becomes soft. You also lose power as softer pad will absorb DA motion. A rough gauge in my opinion is approximately 1 pad for 1 to 3 panels depending how consistent you want your cut to be and how many cycle you are doing per panel.


8. Are there any type of lights I can use to see swirls outside that aren't too expensive, I found it hard/impossible to see the swirls in the shade?
LED Headlight with at least 60-200+ lumens for mobility should do unless you are inspecting outdoor with strong exposure where you flush out your light source. 10-100watt stationary LED flood light will work well too.

Thank you guys for the help. I really appreciate it. I will be practing over the weekend on the hood only and post back my results. Thank you again

My 2 cents..
 
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