First time using us speed - dust

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Detailed my wife's car today using hd speed and poxy. I was surprised by the amount of dust using speed. I only had two dots on my pad, so I don't think I overapplied. It was hot and humid today, which might be to blame. If the dust happens again, I will probably not use the product again.I also this no I needed more cut than what speed was capable of delivering, but as an aio, I cannot expect a great deal of cut.

Post was a joy to work with. I will probably skip my Windows next time as they have a very light haze. Hoping it will buff out later.
 
Not sure what caused your dusting with Speed. I have never experienced any dusting while using it.

As for the second part of your post, I'm not understanding what you mean.
 
Did you use brand new pads? If they were used pads perhaps the dust you saw was from old residue from other abrasives. You could try to mist a couple light sprays of pad conditioner before you apply the product.
 
Second part was supposed to say poxy. Autocorrect messing with me as usual...

The windows had haze that was tough to remove, some that would not come off with hard buffing.
 
I think the pad was new. Maybe next time I will try to use some as or pad conditioner before starting.
 
I use speed and poxy on a lot of my details and have never had a problem with dusting. A great combo.
 
Kazper said:
I think the pad was new. Maybe next time I will try to use some as or pad conditioner before starting.
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Did you only use one pad to the whole car? If so that is your problem. Even if you use small amounts of polish it gets saturated. And the residue dries in the pad too that causes dusting if useing to few pads. Then you can get the pad to wear down fast also.
 
SWETM said:
Did you only use one pad to the whole car? If so that is your problem. Even if you use small amounts of polish it gets saturated. And the residue dries in the pad too that causes dusting if useing to few pads. Then you can get the pad to wear down fast also.
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I think it happened throughtout. My guess is it didn't like the hot temps and humidity (90 deg +) even though I worked in the shade. I was using the lake country cc s pads, which I believe are less prone to saturation.
 
Kazper said:
I think it happened throughtout. My guess is it didn't like the hot temps and humidity (90 deg +) even though I worked in the shade. I was using the lake country cc s pads, which I believe are less prone to saturation.
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But how many pads did you use for the whole car?
 
Never had dusting issues with Speed and CCS pads are usually all I use with Speed.
 
Kazper said:
I think it happened throughtout. My guess is it didn't like the hot temps and humidity (90 deg +) even though I worked in the shade. I was using the lake country cc s pads, which I believe are less prone to saturation.
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I live in Tampa and use Speed during our HOT HUMID summer and have never experienced Speed dusting. Also, you can adjust the cut of Speed and all AIO"s or polisjes by changing the pad to a more aggressive pad. I prefer B & S Orange pads with Speed, great correction, excellent finish.
 
Kazper said:
I think it happened throughtout. My guess is it didn't like the hot temps and humidity (90 deg +) even though I worked in the shade. I was using the lake country cc s pads, which I believe are less prone to saturation.
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If you only used 1-3 pads then you have your answer. It's cause not to swap pads regualary. Sure some pads are better to not get saturated to fast. But they still are going to be that. It's much of different parameters that is the mix from when it's starts to dust. A sure thing when it's time for swap pads is when you see the dusting begins. But I like to have be done that sooner. Depending on how the pad is in part of dirty. I like to have as a clean pad as possible to have it working at it's best. When the air compressor and the brush don't get the pad clean enough I swap it. Sometimes you can do a panel or two but not more than that. Then you save your pads to overheat and wear down faster when not swap them out regualary.
 
custmsprty said:
I live in Tampa and use Speed during our HOT HUMID summer and have never experienced Speed dusting. Also, you can adjust the cut of Speed and all AIO"s or polisjes by changing the pad to a more aggressive pad. I prefer B & S Orange pads with Speed, great correction, excellent finish.
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Yeah, I was using an orange Griot's pad because the car is a daily driver with several minor scratches. It didn't correct as much as I needed it to, but I was probably asking too much from it.
 
Kazper said:
I only had two dots on my pad, so I don't think I over applied.
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100% the opposite.

You under applied.


Don't buy into the parroted talk all over YouTube and Facebook and even the forum world of using


Pea Sized Drops


That's ridiculous. You need some "amount" of product just to provide lubrication to the surface not to mention you need abrasives, polishing oils or agents plus the protection ingredients.


Here's an article on how to prime a pad and while I no longer prime pads like I show in the article, (I show how I prime pads in my classes), I DO SHOW the correct amount of product to put on a pad to work with.

Here's my article from 2011

How to prime a foam pad when using a DA Polisher



And here's an excerpt from the article and even 7 years ago I did my best to share the fallacy of "pea sized drops" :laughing:

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Adding "Working Product" to the primed pad
Some people will recommend 3 to 4 pea size drops of product as the proper amount of product to use and this can be correct for concentrated products or working small sections and if you follow this advice make sure you are not under-lubricating the surface being worked.

Pea size drops of product
PrimingPad10.jpg


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For some products and paint conditions, you may want more product on the surface working for you. Here's an example of dime size drops of product.

Dime size drops of product
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You need to simply use more product and you'll never see a dusting problem with 3D HD Speed.


I have a class at 3D in Santa Clarita in about 2 weeks. One of the topics I cover in all my classes is

Production Detailing

That's when you use a CLEANER/WAX on a DAILY DRIVER.

It's knowledge and a skill set everyone that details cars needs to have, be they enthusiasts or pros.


It's going to be a great class. Should be packing for it today or tomorrow.


:)
 
SWETM said:
If you only used 1-3 pads then you have your answer. It's cause not to swap pads regualary. Sure some pads are better to not get saturated to fast. But they still are going to be that. It's much of different parameters that is the mix from when it's starts to dust. A sure thing when it's time for swap pads is when you see the dusting begins. But I like to have be done that sooner. Depending on how the pad is in part of dirty. I like to have as a clean pad as possible to have it working at it's best. When the air compressor and the brush don't get the pad clean enough I swap it. Sometimes you can do a panel or two but not more than that. Then you save your pads to overheat and wear down faster when not swap them out regualary.
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I tend to use 2. I was lazy on that day and only used 1 because it was so hot out. The fact that it happened from beginning to end makes me thing it wasn't because the pad was used throughout though. Like I said, maybe a couple shots of QD and swapping out the pad midway through would help.
 
Thanks Mike!

I started with probably 6-7 drops initially (as instructed on the bottle) and moved to about 3 drops when I felt the product was wearing thin. But I'll definitely try adding more product next time!
 
Get yourself at least 6-8 pads, put a 1/4" bead of Speed around the whole pad (about a half inch in from the edge), and go to town.

After the initial section, 2-3 pea-sized drops. Clean on the fly with a terry towel or pad brush, but do NOT let the pad become saturated.

Change to a new pad. Lather, rinse, repeat...........

You'll love Speed using this method. :xyxthumbs:
 
I have only used Speed once, and like you I got excessive dusting by doing a test panel. Everyone said the same thing when I reported my experience: Speed doesn't dust. I think the product I had was passed it's shelf life. It came out as a paste out of the bottle instead of a liquid. I have never used it since.
 
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