For a gallon of gas....that's ridiculous!!!

Yea...Right. :rolleyes:


Just for ExxonMobil:
$45 Billion in actual profits in 2013...Grossly Obscene!!

-$40 Million+ perks...CEO Salary...almost 500 times the median USA worker's wage...Obscene as well, IMHO!

-Untold to Lobbyists

-Untold to PACS

-Drilling: to several ...meh


Then there's more in profit from: Stock Buy Back programs.
And what's their tax rate? ~.13---13%...WTC!!!


Besides the jobs they supply for the Joe LunchBuckets of the Working-World...
No way do these weasels deserve my admiration!


Bob

thanks for proving my point, like i said they make an insane amount of money (i never said they were hurting for money), but an extremely large amount of money is invested in order to make those profits...and simple mistakes are extremely costly and counterproductive. i cannot go into details but there was one example of someone leaving a switch on and that costing the company over 300 million in materials alone, nevermind the product destroyed, labor costs, engineering services, and the downtime (which for every day the site could not run was costing the company about 1.5 million)...i do agree that the ceo's make a crazy amount of money...but you seem to have completely ignored the role that government plays in the oil/energy industry.
 
Keeping company names out, I work for a oil company in the exploration and production side. The company I work for produces oil and gas (natural/methane not gasoline), we sell the gas and down the pipeline it goes. The rate is based on Henry Hub. The oil we produce is sold again at market rate and down the pipeline it goes. The same company has pipelines and some of the oil is sold and we buy space on our pipeline just like anybody else is able to. A mix or our oil and other producers oil gets to the end of the line, maybe in a company owned refinery. The oil is turned into more than just gasoline, there is very little you buy on a daily basis that doesn't have some kind of petroleum product in it, heck the bag, or bottle the product came in, has oil in it. Sticking with just gasoline now, that gas is then sold to a distributor, again it could be a company owned one as the company I work for does have gas stations, but anybody can buy from us, I am sure the other name brand station isn't, but CostCo could be, or the mom and pop no name station could be buying from the distributor. The distributor may be selling to 'Us' and 'we' show up with our trucks and take it to 'our' station. While the company I work for does have many different stations with our name on it, we don't own them. They are privately owned and the company that owns the station or stations buys the gasoline at the market rate from the distributor and pays the trucking company so they have full tanks. The station will sometimes lose money on every gallon of gas they sell. If you pay with a CC, the station needs to pay a fee for every card swipe. They also have pump maintenance and electricity costs that go into pumping the 10 gallons into your car. If you want a receipt, again there is more of a charge. The station depends on you going inside and buying a coke, or smokes, or candy. That is where the real money is made for the station. Don't forget that for many oil companies they include that money in its profits.
When you look at the price of a gallon of gas for us here in Wyoming I pay $3.37 a gallon, .24 of that is state road or gas as we call it tax. Another 6% of that is local sales tax, so the gallon of gas 'cost' is now $2.93. There were lots of other hands in the pot along the way for $2.93 a gallon. Yes we had some that was sold for motor oil, some for jet fuel, some for diesel, some for plastics, some for.....
Yes our CEO gets paid lots of money, so does every other company man, we all get paid well, but it is dangerous work. Wells blow up, fires happen, accidents happen just like every other industry, but unlike most, when we have one people die, property gets damages, and needs fixed, and all that costs lots of money. I am for sure not one to say how much is 'reasonable' for a individual or company to earn. I can tell you though 'Big Oil' pays is fair share in taxes. Exxon pays $3.00 for every $1.00 in profit it earns. Oil companies don't get any tax breaks that any other company doesn't get, most just don't qualify for such deductions, they get some deductions because they have production in foreign countries and pay tax in that country. Any company that pays taxes to a foreign country is able to deduct that expense from the taxes paid to this country, it isn't anything special it is something available to everybody. Contrary to what the media says, big oil isn't evil, and doesn't get special treatment.
The asset I work for doesn't make money like that though, we draw a loss of over $1.5MM a month, and have for the last few years, because of that, we won't be around for much longer. New wells in San Antonio cost $5MM+ each and they are drilling as fast as they can, creating jobs for many people and a good quality of life.
If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the futures traders who have 'bid' up a barrel of oil, be mad at the government for taxing the companies and a gallon of gas so much. All those costs are only relayed to the end user, you and I.

glad to see im not the only one who understands it.
 
but you seem to have completely ignored the role that government plays in the oil/energy industry.
I don't believe I did!

I mentioned the Lobbyists, the $600 Million Dollars in government subsidies, the PACS, the 13% tax rate, etc., etc.

Other industries also have boo-boos...lose $Millions.
Who sympathizes for them?

I, too, have "insider" tales that
I wish I was at liberty to share.


Bob
 
One person or one-hundred people...Union or Employer...it makes no difference.

Lobbying (also lobby) is the act of attempting to influence decisions made by officials in the government, most often legislators or members of regulatory agencies.


You would be surprised how much can be accomplished with a simple free phone call to the local office of your State or Federal Representative. They do have people who answer the phone and they are aware that every vote counts.


Gasoline is a great value for me. $4 (per gallon) for something that can transport me and a two ton boat 12 miles. When I want, where I want. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

How much would I have to pay you to walk 12 miles? I bet a lot more than $4.
 
You are not counting the $8,000 we all chipped in towards the rebate you got, so you could afford to buy that electric car.

Not to mention that "FREE" charging stations are frequently paid for using our tax dollars as well.

What is the cost of NOT switching to electric cars, though? That is by far the much more important question. Maybe not in the next year, or decade, but in the next century? Absolutely, unequivocally, more important.

To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, death and taxes are inevitable. What is important is not so much that we die, but what we do with our lives to make them meaningul; how we leave a legacy for those after us and how we touch others lives. What is important is not necessarily the fact that we pay taxes, ( I mean it would be great if we didn't have to but that's not the world we live in!) but what our taxes are being used for!!

Switching to cars powered by electricity, biodiesel, hydrogen etc, decreases emissions while still allowing for the convenience and personal expression cars give us. In my opinion, directing taxpayer dollars towards securing a healthier future for generations to come vis a vis renweable energy is paramount. I'm not trying to attack you Allenk4, because I understand where you're coming from. But there's a bigger picture in play; bigger than the money you had to give up which would've been given up for something else anyway. What would you've used it for? Detailing supplies? A business investment? Bills? House renovations? Clothes? Would any of that really have contributed to the betterment of the world? (I'm not a mindreader, maybe you would've contributed to a charity but I think you understand my point).

The money might as well go towards a bright future and healthier world. Why do you think we have such severity of natural distasters? Autism, down's syndrome, allergies? Birth defects? As unrelated as they may seem, these types of things trace back to our economic and industrial activity, including cars. Yes electric cars have batterries, but especially if charged with renewable energy, they still emit much less emissions than gasoline cars. That being said, I'm a hypocrite. I drive a gas-powered car and I love cars, hence being a member of AGO...but I try to keep things in perspective. It amazes me how many people become so involved in their morals/ideals about what should/shouldn't be and forget that at the end of the day, we are still just humans who rely on a very delicately balanced ecosystem to survive, which we are throwing off by our unnatural activity, incl. driving gas powered cars. The money that is taken from us is being used for the greater good.

We have passed Peak oil some time ago, price of gas will keep increasing. Electric is the future, and that is a great thing. You will be able to tell your grand kids that you used to dive and detail cars that ran on petrol and they will go: "No way grandpa!!"

Amen.

Yea...Right. :rolleyes:


Just for ExxonMobil:
$45 Billion in actual profits in 2013...Grossly Obscene!!

-$40 Million+ perks...CEO Salary...almost 500 times the median USA worker's wage...Obscene as well, IMHO!

-Untold to Lobbyists

-Untold to PACS

-Drilling: to several ...meh


Then there's more in profit from: Stock Buy Back programs.
And what's their tax rate? ~.13---13%...WTC!!!


Besides the jobs they supply for the Joe LunchBuckets of the Working-World...
No way do these weasels deserve my admiration!


Bob

Yes, the govt, oil companies...they're all to blame... and so are we for driving/participating in it all! We can't change the past though...the important thing is what changes we make now into the future!!!
 
It's not the price of gas that's going up. Its the value of the money that is going down. Inflation, thank the Federal Reserve.
 
I own a Nissan Leaf electric car and love it, but electric cars are not for everyone yet. Would be happy to answer any questions...
 
What is the cost of NOT switching to electric cars, though? That is by far the much more important question. Maybe not in the next year, or decade, but in the next century? Absolutely, unequivocally, more important.

To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, death and taxes are inevitable. What is important is not so much that we die, but what we do with our lives to make them meaningul; how we leave a legacy for those after us and how we touch others lives. What is important is not necessarily the fact that we pay taxes, ( I mean it would be great if we didn't have to but that's not the world we live in!) but what our taxes are being used for!!

Switching to cars powered by electricity, biodiesel, hydrogen etc, decreases emissions while still allowing for the convenience and personal expression cars give us. In my opinion, directing taxpayer dollars towards securing a healthier future for generations to come vis a vis renweable energy is paramount. I'm not trying to attack you Allenk4, because I understand where you're coming from. But there's a bigger picture in play; bigger than the money you had to give up which would've been given up for something else anyway. What would you've used it for? Detailing supplies? A business investment? Bills? House renovations? Clothes? Would any of that really have contributed to the betterment of the world? (I'm not a mindreader, maybe you would've contributed to a charity but I think you understand my point).

The money might as well go towards a bright future and healthier world. Why do you think we have such severity of natural distasters? Autism, down's syndrome, allergies? Birth defects? As unrelated as they may seem, these types of things trace back to our economic and industrial activity, including cars. Yes electric cars have batterries, but especially if charged with renewable energy, they still emit much less emissions than gasoline cars. That being said, I'm a hypocrite. I drive a gas-powered car and I love cars, hence being a member of AGO...but I try to keep things in perspective. It amazes me how many people become so involved in their morals/ideals about what should/shouldn't be and forget that at the end of the day, we are still just humans who rely on a very delicately balanced ecosystem to survive, which we are throwing off by our unnatural activity, incl. driving gas powered cars. The money that is taken from us is being used for the greater good.



Amen.



Yes, the govt, oil companies...they're all to blame... and so are we for driving/participating in it all! We can't change the past though...the important thing is what changes we make now into the future!!!



Natural disasters, birth defects and allergies have been in existence since the beginning of time and have no relation to fossil fuels whatsoever.
 
What is the cost of NOT switching to electric cars, though? That is by far the much more important question. Maybe not in the next year, or decade, but in the next century? Absolutely, unequivocally, more important.

To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, death and taxes are inevitable. What is important is not so much that we die, but what we do with our lives to make them meaningul; how we leave a legacy for those after us and how we touch others lives. What is important is not necessarily the fact that we pay taxes, ( I mean it would be great if we didn't have to but that's not the world we live in!) but what our taxes are being used for!!

Switching to cars powered by electricity, biodiesel, hydrogen etc, decreases emissions while still allowing for the convenience and personal expression cars give us. In my opinion, directing taxpayer dollars towards securing a healthier future for generations to come vis a vis renweable energy is paramount. I'm not trying to attack you Allenk4, because I understand where you're coming from. But there's a bigger picture in play; bigger than the money you had to give up which would've been given up for something else anyway. What would you've used it for? Detailing supplies? A business investment? Bills? House renovations? Clothes? Would any of that really have contributed to the betterment of the world? (I'm not a mindreader, maybe you would've contributed to a charity but I think you understand my point).

The money might as well go towards a bright future and healthier world. Why do you think we have such severity of natural distasters? Autism, down's syndrome, allergies? Birth defects? As unrelated as they may seem, these types of things trace back to our economic and industrial activity, including cars. Yes electric cars have batterries, but especially if charged with renewable energy, they still emit much less emissions than gasoline cars. That being said, I'm a hypocrite. I drive a gas-powered car and I love cars, hence being a member of AGO...but I try to keep things in perspective. It amazes me how many people become so involved in their morals/ideals about what should/shouldn't be and forget that at the end of the day, we are still just humans who rely on a very delicately balanced ecosystem to survive, which we are throwing off by our unnatural activity, incl. driving gas powered cars. The money that is taken from us is being used for the greater good.



Amen.



Yes, the govt, oil companies...they're all to blame... and so are we for driving/participating in it all! We can't change the past though...the important thing is what changes we make now into the future!!!

"Switching to cars powered by electricity, biodiesel, hydrogen etc, decreases emissions"

Did you know that even if we converted every single car that is on the road now to electric tomorrow, that would only hold emissions at the current level for four years.

There are loads of applications that cannot be accomplished with electric, now or ever. Long haul trucking, heavy duty towing, etc.

"bigger than the money you had to give up which would've been given up for something else anyway. What would you've used it for?"

What if I was your employer and I was forced to let you go, because the government forced me to convert my fleet vehicles to electric and I couldn't afford you and the electric? Then how would you feel?

Driving an electric car should be a choice, just like buying an SUV or a Honda Civic is. The Government should not force others to pay for your decision. If you feel so strongly about it...use your own money.

By the way, all three of these produce jobs: "Detailing supplies? A business investment? Bills? House renovations? Clothes?"


"Why do you think we have such severity of natural distasters (sp)? Autism, down's (Down) syndrome, allergies? Birth defects?"

Are you saying these are caused buy the internal combustion engine? I have not seen that study.


It is a slippery slope to allow the government so much control over you. Next they will be allocating energy...mandating what temperature you can heat and cool your home. How many "recreational miles" you are allowed to drive your vehicle. Be very careful when you allow the government to determine the "greater good" as you proclaim.

Please take a brief look at what China and India are allowed to do to the environment without regulation which allows them to capture the vast majority of the manufacturing that our Unions are clamoring to get back.
 
"Switching to cars powered by electricity, biodiesel, hydrogen etc, decreases emissions"

Did you know that even if we converted every single car that is on the road now to electric tomorrow, that would only hold emissions at the current level for four years.

There are loads of applications that cannot be accomplished with electric, now or ever. Long haul trucking, heavy duty towing, etc.

"bigger than the money you had to give up which would've been given up for something else anyway. What would you've used it for?"

What if I was your employer and I was forced to let you go, because the government forced me to convert my fleet vehicles to electric and I couldn't afford you and the electric? Then how would you feel?

Driving an electric car should be a choice, just like buying an SUV or a Honda Civic is. The Government should not force others to pay for your decision. If you feel so strongly about it...use your own money.

By the way, all three of these produce jobs: "Detailing supplies? A business investment? Bills? House renovations? Clothes?"


"Why do you think we have such severity of natural distasters (sp)? Autism, down's (Down) syndrome, allergies? Birth defects?"

Are you saying these are caused buy the internal combustion engine? I have not seen that study.


It is a slippery slope to allow the government so much control over you. Next they will be allocating energy...mandating what temperature you can heat and cool your home. How many "recreational miles" you are allowed to drive your vehicle. Be very careful when you allow the government to determine the "greater good" as you proclaim.

Please take a brief look at what China and India are allowed to do to the environment without regulation which allows them to capture the vast majority of the manufacturing that our Unions are clamoring to get back.




+1!!!

Government deciding for you is not freedom.
 
Here in Iowa right now I'm paying 3.62 for the mid grade. I'm lucky though because my shiny little Prizm gets about 37mpg (in the warmer months). Glad I don't live in Norway!

And wow this thread down a totally different road than it was in the first few pages.
 
At some point when hybrids and electrics become more popular, taxes will switch from gasoline to mileage based taxing methods since gasoline users is paying for the roads and other activities if states use the income for other reasons. Some states have a hybrid / electric fee in lieu of paying has prices.
 
You guys should just do what I do - wait for the neighbor to spend like 100 bills to fill up his truck.... The get a few Gerry cans and.... BAM!

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Only bad part is he don't always buy Premium, and I always have to smoke a few Newports to get that gas taste outta my mouth.
 
You guys should just do what I do - wait for the neighbor to spend like 100 bills to fill up his truck.... The get a few Gerry cans and.... BAM!

I have had the thought of having a full tank of gas in my truck and wondering if someone was going to siphon it. Have you read the MSDS for gas?
 
All forms of transportation (cars, trains, buses, airplanes, motorcycles, etc.) account for 13% of all emissions.

China just passed the USA into #1 top emissions.

EMISSIONS BY SECTOR

Energy production is the biggest source of emissions, representing about one-third of the world total. Of the fossil fuels, coal generates the highest emissions, followed by oil and then natural gas.

Agriculture, forestry and other land use accounts for 24 percent of total emissions. Other big sectors include transport (13 percent) and buildings (7 percent).


U.N. report details sources of global carbon emissions
 
At some point when hybrids and electrics become more popular, taxes will switch from gasoline to mileage based taxing methods since gasoline users is paying for the roads and other activities if states use the income for other reasons. Some states have a hybrid / electric fee in lieu of paying has prices.

That's correct.

Some states already have either an additional fee (few hundred dollars) that is paid with plate renewal and others have a set fee per mileage assessed annually.
 
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