For Manual Drivers, I thought this was funny!

God forbid one is left in an emergency situation in which the ONLY mode of transport to help out of that situation is a manual transmission vehicle.

Kids should learn to drive with a manual transmission. After a period of competency then unleash them on a transmission of their choosing, but manual should be mandatory. IMO. :)

2007 RX8 6MT.. loved it.

Another reason to learn manual! On the note about kids learning manual, I wholeheartedly agree--I learned standard transmission when I was 12 turning 13, and attended circuit school when I was 19 [in Japan].

Overs there they have two licenses: automatic and standard. I have standard with a gold bar (the gold bar meaning I've driven 5+ years without any citations). That means cheaper insurance for me :)

I wish the US had some sort of incentive or system like that.


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^ I don't know how to drive manual and I write like that lol

I cam draw great though!!! (Go figure) :D
 
Just wait until the steering wheel disappears and you're nothing more than a passenger. That day's coming too. Probably sooner than later for urban dwellers.

I learned to drive on a 4 speed (MGA), and we've always had at least one car with a manual transmission. PITA in rush hour, but more enjoyable the rest of the time.

Jim
 
Yeah we'll just go Obi-1...."this isn't the route your looking for, move along, move along"

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Wish I had a manual now, but couldn't pass up on the deal I got for my Corolla, especially with it being my first car. Will definitely be getting a manual in the future
 
My first vehicle was a motorcycle, and was my second. So naturally, my first car/third vehicle is a manual. Thinking, I don't want to have it any other way.
 
It's worth noting that some cars are better with a dual-clutch. The new BMW M cars for example. BMW isn't putting money into developing their manuals anymore so they are extremely lacking and over a generation old tech. In those cases you would be better off with the dual-clutch. I'm embracing the new technology, but keeping a special spot in my heart for the old-school manual.

Traditional Automatic < Manual ≤ Dual-Clutch

Here are my thoughts on auto versus manual versus DCT, and I've perhaps spent way too much time thinking about this...

In the past, I've been all about manual transmission vehicles. And my perspective I suppose is a bit different than most because I get downranked all over the internet for having this opinion in regards to performance vehicles; in the past, manual transmissions have always, hands-down, been about performance and efficiency. If you drove an automatic anything... it was a clunking POS that would hunt gears when you flogged it, would over-rev itself, would upshift too soon, and would simply have no idea what to do when someone like myself got behind the wheel. They've always been poorly crafted, and poorly executed janky devices that always took the thrill out of driving. That has nothing to do with the fact that they shift for you, and everything to do with the fact that they simply do it wrong. Let's not forget about the parasitic losses of torque converters. That's the reason they're referred to as slush boxes.

But sometime around the year 2007 there was a revolution in auto transmission technology. I believe this was around the time when "locking torque converters" came into existence. I recall the Mercedes SLK and SL were some of the first vehicles to do this, and it was only in Sport mode. I had been driving a friend's automatic 2004 BMW 330ci for a while with an auto transmission, and it pretty much blew my mind and allowed me to understand what a great auto transmission was about. After that, my BMW fetish really started to take on a life of it's own and I started stealing the keys of all of my friends who owned 335's for late-night joy-rides through the twisty parts of town. It was the 335 that I ended up becoming infatuated with... and after driving both the manual and the auto trans versions, it was the automatic that I truly fell in love with. It had this extremely solid predictability to it, and felt like a real precision instrument that would just tick off gears like nobody's business... and it was always in the perfect gear to boot. So my entire perspective of "slush box" had been turned upside down, and I no longer had any reason to despise auto transmissions.

But as it turns out... it's not simply about manual versus auto, or high end versus low end vehicles. Some of these manufacturers excel in one, but not the other. Porsche for example makes the best feeling manual transmission I've ever driven. Something about the throw of the stick, and the way the clutch engages just feels magical, and allows the car to be driven at full boil easily. Their Tiptronic transmissions have always made me feel like the soul of the car was gone, although I've heard the PDK transmission is among the best in the industry... I haven't driven a PDK vehicle yet.

My brother just bought an Audi A3 with a DCT, and... that transmission does nothing for me at all. Perhaps it's the fact that the car seems so slow with the 2.0t engine? I've driven the Audi TT in the past with a manual transmission and I have to say it felt pretty fantastic.

So anyway... it seems these things can be pretty hit or miss... and there's a lot more to evaluating a transmission than simply whether it has a clutch.

What I know for certain is that ZF auto transmissions do it right. :)
 
God forbid one is left in an emergency situation in which the ONLY mode of transport to help out of that situation is a manual transmission vehicle.

Kids should learn to drive with a manual transmission. After a period of competency then unleash them on a transmission of their choosing, but manual should be mandatory. IMO. :)

2007 RX8 6MT.. loved it.

When I first got my license (California '59), if you took your test in an 'auto' your license reflected, "Auto Only."

I will say that I DO miss a stick at times, but that 'Alison 4X3' in a semi I drove (for fun) a few years ago was hard to beat. No 2 speed knob, Road Ranger switch or clutch. Just goose it up or down a notch at a time.

Bill
 
Hey Profits, your post was well thought out and came from the heart but let's be honest here, I think your infatuation w/ the 335I has more to do with the entire package that goes around that auto in there, I mean it is a 3 series and its a TT inline 6 too, LOL, what's not to love?!

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.....I had been driving a friend's automatic 2004 BMW 330ci for a while with an auto transmission, and it pretty much blew my mind and allowed me to understand what a great auto transmission was about. After that, my BMW fetish really started to take on a life of it's own and I started stealing the keys of all of my friends who owned 335's for late-night joy-rides through the twisty parts of town. It was the 335 that I ended up becoming infatuated with...

Wow, I need to find out where you get your friends from. Well off and apparently not that smart that they leave their keys laying around so you can go off into the night galavanting with their BMWs! :awesome: I agree with Klasse though, it's the entire package that makes the 335 a sweet ride.

Don't forget folks, the new Vette will also come with a 7 speed manual. Plus, Mazda is a hold out. You can get a manual in all their vehicles minus the CX-9!
 
Don't forget folks, the new Vette will also come with a 7 speed manual.

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I just hope I'm still able to get my old seat...into the new Gen 7's seats early next year.


:D

Bob
 
I have an 11 Ford Fiesta with a 5 speed, and love it. I might not love it while stuck in traffic, but it is fun to drive.
 
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I just hope I'm still able to get my old seat...into the new Gen 7's seats early next year.


:D

Bob

They (GM) know who their customer base still is and offer seats to fit those people....but BREAKING NEWS!!! They (GM) are now offering an optional seat for people whom own the plastic fantastic and actually DRIVE them and when I say DRIVE I mean go around turns on a back road I.e. the Dragon/Cherahola Skyway/Moonshiners route 28/route 555/Million Dollar Highway or even these things called race tracks, what a concept, a seat that goes into a sports car that actually holds its owner inplace instead of sweaty flesh that ozzes out of an oversized polo shirt or one of those button down shirts w/ Corvettes all over them (gotta let everyone know what your driving). Its great to know that after 60 yrs America's only true sports car has figured out that a sports car should have a sports seat, WOW!

**Although quoted, this isn't directed at the person whom I quoted, just a rant about why my favorite car has been so lame over a long period of time, that's all**

Its also amazing that Chevrolet has followed Porsche w/ a 7 spd too, using the autotragic from the C6 to serve duty in the C7. Surely the next autotragic GM is working is going to be terrible, can't you just see it now....years of development, miles of testing on the Nuerburgrinng and BAAAM! RECALL AND TROUBLES with it, stick with the stick!

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Let me put my input before this starts to be a 200 page thread..

Manuals are awesome indeed and there will also be some, however, if you look at modern cars such as the Nissan GTR, no manual trans will beat the quick shifts of that trans and no manual will be able to keep up.

Same goes for the new Lambo's and such.
Lamborghini is actually still using a single clutch automated manual transmission. They preferred the single clutch tranny over a DCT (dual clutch tranny) because they wanted the driver to feel that jolt from the shifts.
 
Yep. Been all down hill for ril drivers ever since they put synchronizers in transmissions. And I ain't so fond of them 'lectric starters either.:bolt:
 
Hey Profits, your post was well thought out and came from the heart but let's be honest here, I think your infatuation w/ the 335I has more to do with the entire package that goes around that auto in there, I mean it is a 3 series and its a TT inline 6 too, LOL, what's not to love?!

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Thanks!

The whole package is indeed quite nice. I guess if I had to put my finger on the one thing that really makes the 3 series shine... besides the super torquey engine and transmission, it would be the perfect ergonomics of it. The seats with the Sport package are heavily bolstered with bolster adjustments that can inflate them to the point where they'll crush your kidneys... and I'm not a big dude either. For my body-type it feels like a custom tailored car. All the buttons and knobs are perfectly placed where you expect them to be. The Porsche 991 is the only vehicle that I've found that I can say fits me slightly better... with a huge improvement in material quality... but that's at a cost of an additional $60k.

The biggest gripe I have is the hard plasticky feel of the "leather". I think it's just some kind of bonded-leather composite. Oh, and the leather squeaks when you go over bumpy pavement or speed bumps... perfect.

Anyway, touching on your post regarding the Corvette seats; Isn't it amazing how the vast majority of these auto manufacturers (Ford and GM primarily... but to a lesser extent Mazda, Nissan, Honda, Toyota) can't figure out how to make great seats? I mean, this is not rocket science. If they wanted to, they could just source them from Recaro (they apparently did this in the Ford Focus ST in the European market) and call it a day. But they can't even be bothered to do that. It seems like their philosophy is to just shovel some wide, flat back s*** in there with zero lumbar support, and expect people to be happy, and then sit bewildered when the European manufacturers are sitting on record profits. It's a strategy that really makes me wonder. It seems they only want to build cars for the morbidly obese.

Now, what I really want is the new Porsche GT3. Need to detail a few cars first. :xyxthumbs:
 
Let me put my input before this starts to be a 200 page thread..

Manuals are awesome indeed and there will also be some, however, if you look at modern cars such as the Nissan GTR, no manual trans will beat the quick shifts of that trans and no manual will be able to keep up.

Same goes for the new Lambo's and such.

Although my car is a 6 speed manual transmission, computers do shift faster than humans!

Once I drove the audi A4 from an cousin auto, the gear box is extremly fast I was surprised, but Launch I always feel slower than a manual trans...

I know the GTR has a scary launch, but talking about cars that I can afford :S

Of course I love automatic for drive in the city and also love the manual trans for racing a little (track of course).
 
I see a lot of talk about some very fine (And expensive) manual vehicles. =O I would love to take a drive in them any day, but my budget doesn't allow that. :xyxthumbs:

As far as affordable manuals go, I've always like Mazda's shifters. Love it or hate it, I think that the Miata has the best manual you can find in an "Everybody" car that we can all afford.

I like the shift in my Mazda 3 almost as much, but it just doesn't have quite as crisp a feel as the Miata. But, I'll take "Almost as good" as long as it's not an autotragic! It definitely beats the manual that was in my old Jeep Wrangler though! That thing simply wasn't built for speed. Talk about a classic truck-ish shifter!

Speaking of which, I actually just ordered a new shift boot out of Europe with black perforated leather, a red stripe and red stitching. Can't wait!
 
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