Four Star UPP, better than WGDGPS???

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Well, if some of you followed the thread from Killrwheels' Saturn Aura detail on the Show n Shine section, he used (and highly recommended) 4Star on black vehicles. Since I still haven't found any sealant better than WG, I was eager to try out the UPP.

Well, let's just say I was extremely impressed. After only 1 coat this morning, I think this is the best looking sealant on a black car that I've used/seen. I used an MF pad by hand, applied a thin layer, let it sit for about 2 hours, then wiped it off by hand again. I was extremely impressed by the slickness of it, but more importantly, how it made the flakes on my Odyssey "pop" out. The paint just seemed to come alive more than WG... and I've been using WG for 2 years. Now as far as compared to Souveran (my all time fave), I still think Souveran gives blacks that ultra-wet deep gloss look that a sealant just can't match.

I can't comment yet on the durability (although the one I used does have polycharger). I also plan on putting a 2nd coat of UPP tomorrow, followed by Souveran.

So anyways, onto to the pics! Now I know it's a minivan, but hey, as my name implies, had to give up the sports car for the family. This is what I have to detail for now ;) The clouds covered the sun just enough to get some perfect shots with my Nikon... Killrwheels, THANKS again for the recommendation!!! What a great sealant for the price!

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Look at the metallic blue flakes on the bottom right... they just pop out!

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WOW. I think I may revisit 4* now. Good prep work no doubt but that looks flat out amazing.
BTW WG is the only sealant I use as well.
 
Dont get me wrong, Wolfgang Sealant is a great product and I particulary like it on metallics and silvers, but on black there is something about UPP. Its crisp and reflective but not sterile and amazingly slick. Their Four Star Spray Wax is another great product too. Glad you liked the recommendation.
 
wytstang said:
WOW. I think I may revisit 4* now. Good prep work no doubt but that looks flat out amazing.
BTW WG is the only sealant I use as well.
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Thanks!!! I was shocked as well. For a sealant, I didn't think it could match, more so exceed, WG. But it did. That was only after 1 coat too.... I can't wait till tomorrow when I get the 2nd coat on.

killrwheels@autogeek said:
Dont get me wrong, Wolfgang Sealant is a great product and I particulary like it on metallics and silvers, but on black there is something about UPP. Its crisp and reflective but not sterile and amazingly slick. Their Four Star Spray Wax is another great product too. Glad you liked the recommendation.
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Killr, I was thinking about applying the 2nd coat by PC. However, I only have a gray CCS finessing pad. Will that work instead of the blue recommended by AG? How would you recommend I apply using PC? speed 3? light to no pressure?

So you also recommend the spray wax? As a topper? It's got some nuba in it right? But it's still no Souveran, is it? I still like Souveran as LSP... your thoughts?
 
sportscarhiatus said:
Well, if some of you followed the thread from Killrwheels' Saturn Aura detail on the Show n Shine section, he used (and highly recommended) 4Star on black vehicles. Since I still haven't found any sealant better than WG, I was eager to try out the UPP.

Well, let's just say I was extremely impressed. After only 1 coat this morning, I think this is the best looking sealant on a black car that I've used/seen. I used an MF pad by hand, applied a thin layer, let it sit for about 2 hours, then wiped it off by hand again. I was extremely impressed by the slickness of it, but more importantly, how it made the flakes on my Odyssey "pop" out. The paint just seemed to come alive more than WG... and I've been using WG for 2 years. Now as far as compared to Souveran (my all time fave), I still think Souveran gives blacks that ultra-wet deep gloss look that a sealant just can't match.

I can't comment yet on the durability (although the one I used does have polycharger). I also plan on putting a 2nd coat of UPP tomorrow, followed by Souveran.

So anyways, onto to the pics! Now I know it's a minivan, but hey, as my name implies, had to give up the sports car for the family. This is what I have to detail for now ;) The clouds covered the sun just enough to get some perfect shots with my Nikon... Killrwheels, THANKS again for the recommendation!!! What a great sealant for the price!

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Look at the metallic blue flakes on the bottom right... they just pop out!

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WDGPS vs FOUR STAR UPP
and the winner is?

Here are a couple of sun/cloud shots taken with my Nikon after an application of WDGPS. Photo with Fuzion to follow after application
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I like two coats of UPP with at least 4-6 hours of curing between the levels. I never use a machine to add/remove sealants or waxes as I believe it wastes alot of product and cannot control how much is applied. Remember with sealants it is not how much we use, the less is often better but need uniform and complete coverage.

I believe their spray wax is a hybrid product. I dont know its ingredients specifically. I do love the look and easy to use as Souveran Spray Wax. Now does it look like a Souveran Paste topper, no way, but for everyday use I find it the best combo for time and looks. Now as a show-stopper I would indeed add a coat of Souveran Paste.
 
Great work!! I have to give that one a shot. I like the DGPS on metallics also. I'l try that on my next detail of a black vehicle.
 
Both vehicles look great. :props:

Whatever product/products work best for you and look best to you are the best products for you.

I truly believe that with proper prep, any of 50, maybe 100, LSPs will look good.
We are very fortunate to have so many good/great products to choose from.
 
UPP has been one of my favorite sealants for a while now, glad to see it's getting the attention it deserves.
 
I have been using 4* since I finished my first bottle of DGPS. Looks fantastic on any metallic color. Topped with Fuzion and its TOPS! Durability is the same I think.
 
would you show a pic of UPP after the sesond coat and before you use the carnuba on it.

thanx m4bama
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
I like two coats of UPP with at least 4-6 hours of curing between the levels. I never use a machine to add/remove sealants or waxes as I believe it wastes alot of product and cannot control how much is applied. Remember with sealants it is not how much we use, the less is often better but need uniform and complete coverage.

I believe their spray wax is a hybrid product. I dont know its ingredients specifically. I do love the look and easy to use as Souveran Spray Wax. Now does it look like a Souveran Paste topper, no way, but for everyday use I find it the best combo for time and looks. Now as a show-stopper I would indeed add a coat of Souveran Paste.
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;) definitely Souveran for LSP, final topper. So you only let it sit for 4-6 hours before the 2nd coat eh? I actually followed the bottle instructions of waiting 24 hours. If I can do it in 4-6, obviously, I'd rather do that. So that's enough cure time?

By the way, the 2nd coat, made the paint even more vibrant. I'll try to post pics of the 2nd coat tomorrow.

I'll have to try that spray wax next...
 
loudog2 said:
Great work!! I have to give that one a shot. I like the DGPS on metallics also. I'l try that on my next detail of a black vehicle.
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Thanks loudog... yeah, try it out. For the price, I was impressed it actually had more depth than WGDGPS. Let me know what you think! I'm always on the hunt for new/better stuff. It's our addiction to buy new waxes and try things out.

That's what I love about this forum... we all help each other, and recommend different, but excellent products!!! Thanks again, Killr.

CharlesW said:
Whatever product/products work best for you and look best to you are the best products for you.

I truly believe that with proper prep, any of 50, maybe 100, LSPs will look good.
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Thanks Charles... your two statements above are so VERY true. I think once you have a very well prepped surface, the difference between wax A from wax B or C or D, etc gets very small...making it harder to figure out which product is better!!! :) A lot of folks don't prep their surface before they wax. It's like painting on a dirty/stained canvas insted of a fresh white sheet!

Brandon1 said:
UPP has been one of my favorite sealants for a while now, glad to see it's getting the attention it deserves.
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Amen! Score another one for UPP.
 
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even if its not what you really want its always nice when someone looks at your car and says damn that a clean vehicle!
 
I will have to say that is very nice. Jngrbrdman over on Detail City use to rave about 4* and it's reflective ability's. I will have to say, I see what he is talking about.
 
BlackSunshine01 said:
even if its not what you really want its always nice when someone looks at your car and says damn that a clean vehicle!
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thanks... true statement, but I wish I had a Cobra like you so they could say it about that instead! :)

belcherm58 said:
I will have to say that is very nice. Jngrbrdman over on Detail City use to rave about 4* and it's reflective ability's. I will have to say, I see what he is talking about.
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Thanks!!! I'm a believer (thanks to Killrwheels' recommendation) now... that stuff is pretty amazing. And for 30 bucks, you can't beat it. I put a coat of Souveran on top last night, but it was too dark for pics. I'll try to get some pics today after work. We'll see if it made a diff.
 
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