Full wet sand n' buff on '05 NBP Acura RL, by Rasky's Auto Detailing

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***Let me first start by saying that this car underwent a full repaint and that this is NOT something I recommend you do on a factory painted car to remove orange peel.***


This is actually my fiancée and the car, which got hammered with over $9k in hail damage! My father works at the body shop where the work was done and I offered to do the wet sanding and buffing in exchange for having the bumpers and side moldings painted….that and I didn’t really want them doing it anyway. :D

Originally I had planned on doing the work the same week I picked it up knowing just how hard these newer high solids clear coats can get. Unfortunately things kept coming up and the job kept getting pushed out. It was about 4-5 weeks time between when it was painted to when I started the work…not good.

As my past experience has shown, the clear was indeed rock hard! Probably the hardest I have ever worked on and my normal process for wet sanding had to be tweaked in order to work with this paint type.


Wet sanding process:
-3M P800 via DA with soft interface pad for initial leveling (I taped off the edges 1/16-1/8 away for this step since I wanted to avoid thinning an edge too much)
-3M P1500 grit via DA with soft interface pad.
-3M P3000 grit via DA with soft interface pad.


Buffing process:
- 3M Perfect-it 3000 extra cut rubbing compound via rotary and Meguiars Solo heavy cutting pad (cut faster than M95 and Power Gloss but left deep marring)
-Meguiars M95 via rotary and Meguiars Solo light cutting pad (removed heavy marring from the extra cut and picked up any pig tails I may have missed)
-Menzerna SIP via rotary and orange LC Classic pad (finished nicely)
-Meguiars M205 via PC7424XP and White LC Classic pad (removed any remaining buffer trails left behind from SIP)
-Menzerna PO85RD via rotary and black LC Classic pad (Icing on the cake!)

My choice of LSP was Blackfire Wet-Diamond.

Pre hail damage the paint on this car was actually like glass right from the factory. As you will see, after the car was painted it had some pretty serious orange peel, and to be honest, I wasn’t really happy with the way it came out. While my father did all the body work on the car, they do have dedicated painters at his shop so I couldn’t blame him in any way. They shop normally turn out top notch work. regardless, I didn’t feel it was so bad that it needed to be redone, but it definitely meant taking off more clear than I really wanted too in order to get it to the level it was at prior to the damage.

Before sanding I spoke with the manager about the paint thickness readings I found on all the new panels and wanted to ensure full paint warranty if I were to level the paint myself….which he assured me they would honor.


On with the pics!!!


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Sanding in process
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After pics!
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Brinkmann
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Halogen
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Flash (I like how this made the blue pearl POP)
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I drove the car about 30 miles before these pics so there may be some light dust on the car…
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I didn’t keep track of my time on this job since I wasn’t getting paid to do it, but I'd guess I have around 40 hours invested….either way, I’d say the fiancée definitely owes me some serious luvin’!!! :dancing:



Thanks For looking!

Rasky
 
Wow great job! I love the after pics of just the wet sanding had just a perfect wet sanding haze to it! Did you do the 800, then followed that up with the 1500, then 3000? Then started your first go at buffing it out?
 
Looks great Chad i started learning Da sanding at Mike P's class and next week were doing an extreme make over.Using a Da for sanding sure beats hand wet sanding we found that out first hand.
 
Wow great job! I love the after pics of just the wet sanding had just a perfect wet sanding haze to it! Did you do the 800, then followed that up with the 1500, then 3000? Then started your first go at buffing it out?

Thank you!

Yes, that was the order I went in. I first tried 1500 as that would be my normal process, but since I waited so long to do the job the clear was just too hard and the 1500 was not knocking down the peel in a timely matter.

Same goes for the buffing. Normally I would have started with M105 but it was not cutting fast enough. I also tried Power Gloss but it was not working the way I wanted either.

I did just the hood before moving on to the whole car though. ;)

Looks great Chad i started learning Da sanding at Mike P's class and next week were doing an extreme make over.Using a Da for sanding sure beats hand wet sanding we found that out first hand.

Thanks Adam!

Yeah, working with a DA is much more efficient. Though by hand is still a must for those tight areas. ;)
 
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Now that there is some shine and wetness. The sun shots are awesome thanks for sharing.:dblthumb2:
 
Rasky, Everytime I see a posting by you I always have to check out your work, You knocked a home Run on this one, looks great...Luv those Acuras too
 
Rasky,

You "smacked" that orange peel really good. And the idea of "wet sanding" with a Dual Action brings my previously stuck learning curve to a new level.

Also makes me even more happy with my new Griot's Machine - although I'm a bit away from tackling fresh and hard orange peel or any orange peel for that matter. I think a "class" like you attended is in my future.

Anyway, I must say that since Mike joined this Forum with his "clarity" and organization on issues such as "Man vs. Machine", etc. - plus the then stimulated comments, reviews, pics, etc. from long time Members like you Rasky have really helped me to "get to the next level" in my "Geek" education.

The car is awesome - and I HATE orange peel! Prior to your post I have seen OP (I can't even bring myself to say those words) but I was never sure "what" it actually was or what to do about it. Your photos and procedures really cleared that up in a hurry.

Like I said - you "smacked" it good and I appreciate the time and effort you put into your educated postings here - on top of your time and effort on the cars. Same to the other Senior Members who lend their time and expertise to this Forum.

Best Regards & Happy Wedding!

Martin
 
Great job Chad!:dblthumb2: Looking at your pictures made me realize that I need a bigger garage.
 
Absolutly beautiful. This is A1 work on your part. Thanks for giving us a view of the process you used.
 
Awesome job Chad, the RL looks great.

Thanks Dana! :)

Rasky,

You "smacked" that orange peel really good. And the idea of "wet sanding" with a Dual Action brings my previously stuck learning curve to a new level.

Also makes me even more happy with my new Griot's Machine - although I'm a bit away from tackling fresh and hard orange peel or any orange peel for that matter. I think a "class" like you attended is in my future.

Anyway, I must say that since Mike joined this Forum with his "clarity" and organization on issues such as "Man vs. Machine", etc. - plus the then stimulated comments, reviews, pics, etc. from long time Members like you Rasky have really helped me to "get to the next level" in my "Geek" education.

The car is awesome - and I HATE orange peel! Prior to your post I have seen OP (I can't even bring myself to say those words) but I was never sure "what" it actually was or what to do about it. Your photos and procedures really cleared that up in a hurry.

Like I said - you "smacked" it good and I appreciate the time and effort you put into your educated postings here - on top of your time and effort on the cars. Same to the other Senior Members who lend their time and expertise to this Forum.

Best Regards & Happy Wedding!

Martin

Thank you for the compliments! :thankyousign:

No wet sanding classes for me, I just had the luxury of growing up with a father who owned his own body shop. ;)

Just for clarification, I did not use a DA like the PC or G110. I have an air powered DA which is a little different than the DA's we use to polish paint, but the main reason is because water and electricity obviously don't mix. ;)

Top notch work... Very good use of time as well, that's a lot of work for 40hrs!

Thank You! The 40 hours as just a estimated guess. I worked on the car on and off over two weeks so it was hard to keep track. ;)

Great job Chad!:dblthumb2: Looking at your pictures made me realize that I need a bigger garage.

Thanks bro! Funny you mention that because I feel I need a bigger garage! :D

Absolutly beautiful. This is A1 work on your part. Thanks for giving us a view of the process you used.

My pleasure! Thanks for the compliment! :)
 
Very very nice one! I recently did some machine wetsanding and I must say it makes the paint extremely soft to the touch :)

What were the paintreadings before and after sanding/polishing?
 
Awesome work! And great write-up! Thanks for sharing this with the AG forum.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


After you did your finish sanding, the paint looks just like it's supposed to look and that's dull, not scratched.


***Let me first start by saying that this car underwent a full repaint and that this is NOT something I recommend you do on a factory painted car to remove orange peel.***

Thank you for stressing the above point. 90% to 95% of all wet-sanding is done at the body shop level on fresh paint because it's,

  • Thicker
  • Softer


It's easy to sand paint, that means putting sanding marks into the paint. The tricky part is getting them all out without making a mistake somewhere along the line.


And another good point, all your cutting steps were done with a rotary buffer, not a DA or a Flex 3401

Buffing process:
- 3M Perfect-it 3000 extra cut rubbing compound via rotary and Meguiar's Solo heavy cutting pad (cut faster than M95 and Power Gloss but left deep marring)
-Meguiar's M95 via rotary and Meguiar's Solo light cutting pad (removed heavy marring from the extra cut and picked up any pig tails I may have missed)
-Menzerna SIP via rotary and orange LC Classic pad (finished nicely)
-Meguiar's M205 via PC7424XP and White LC Classic pad (removed any remaining buffer trails left behind from SIP)
-Menzerna PO85RD via rotary and black LC Classic pad (Icing on the cake!)


Can sanding marks be removed using a DA Polisher or a Flex 3401?

You bet!

But heres' the deal, it already is hard enough and takes a long time using a powerful, direct-drive rotary buffer with a wool cutting pad. Anything less than this is going to make the job harder and take longer and for Pro's like Rasky, the goal is 100% removal of ALL the sanding marks, not merely making a dull surface shiny again.


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Very very nice one! I recently did some machine wetsanding and I must say it makes the paint extremely soft to the touch :)

What were the paintreadings before and after sanding/polishing?

Thanks!

I had four panles that were replaced on the car I could get good readings from. Readings on them averaged around 115 microns before sanding and were in the mid to upper 90 microns after the car was all buffed out.



Awesome work! And great write-up! Thanks for sharing this with the AG forum.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Thanks Mike! :thankyousign:
 
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