Gas prices

Coatingsarecrack said:
but we don’t have all the social problems he brings along
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We have just as many and worse. People need to get over the social BS too. It's not the right or his followers that are causing them. Democrats and anti Trumpers are the cause of nearly all of them. He was an arse but most of his policies, especially looking out for America and Americans FIRST were solid. He and his policies threatened the gravy train of many and that train does need to get derailed.
 
$4.46 In Ocala Fl.- Sams club was $4.38 with about a 20 minute wait
& of course that was for 87 octane
 
If they suspend the Federal gas tax, (18 cents/gallon) and the prices drop for two days, then climb back up, (Like what happened here in NY when we suspended the state gas tax) then we have a serious problem with the Big Oil companies setting the precedent for all other goods and services.

Capitalism is Capitalism.

Greed is Greed.
 
TTQ B4U said:
We have just as many and worse. People need to get over the social BS too. It's not the right or his followers that are causing them. Democrats and anti Trumpers are the cause of nearly all of them. He was an arse but most of his policies, especially looking out for America and Americans FIRST were solid. He and his policies threatened the gravy train of many and that train does need to get derailed.
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something to think about….. or not. Great thing about politics is you get to believe what you want.

We agree to disagree. Trump absolutely had the US in social despair and has this country separated more than it has since…. Well a long time.

Trumper’s like to just focus on his economic’s but I don’t disagree with that part. Just he is he was bad for the people… not their wallets.

You were on his social side so you will continue to see it from his/your perspective…..


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Coatingsarecrack said:
Trump absolutely had the US in social despair and has this country separated more than it has since…. Well a long time.
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It is nice to have discustions and not hate eachother in the end.

I will say that i noticed that the msm was the ones bringing up and making it about race...constantly. Basically saying trump and his voters were racist.

Why make things about race?...for division of citizens.

Msm talks about it when its a violent white person, but any other race....gotta keep it under wraps. (Fitting the narritive).

5.70 per gal for premium the other day..ouch.



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For me Trump's economic policies, while some good and some not so much, weren't great enough to offset the rhetoric. I pulled for Biden like many others because he was too divisive. And let's not forget how Trump, to this day even, tried to steal the election. Doesn't get more un-American than that.

My Pillow guy, Sidney Powell, Guliani...kooks that lost their minds. The evidence is clear to me what was going on.

Trump was told repeatedly and by many that there was no serious or substantial election fraud. For nearly three hours, Trump refused to tell rioters to stop and go home despite pleas from more than 20 Republicans to do so.

My Speculation on What Happened.

The Jan6 riot was coordinated and staged by the Proud Boys to pressure Pence to go along with the Eastman plan to fudge the electoral count. If Pence didn’t go along, the back up plan Trump and the White House had developed was to use the Jan6 riot as an excuse to take Pence involuntarily away from the Capitol to a secure location “for his own safety” to block him from doing the count and certifying Biden’s election.

However, Pence had gotten wind of the backup plan. He was hiding and barricaded in the house chamber with about 60 congressmen and staffers. Ashlie Babbit started breaking and climbing through the window on the door to the lobby of the house chamber. The crowd outside was chanting ”Hang Mike Pence.” To protect Pence and everyone else, Ashlie was was immediately shot by Capitol police officer Boyd before she could breach the chamber. The crowd outside the chamber abated with the shot. Ashlie later died of her injuries.

That is why Pence was unwilling the next day to get in a strange limo the next day to be taken home after he certified Biden’s election. That is why Trump had wanted Pence to be hanged (?). That is why Trump waited so long to calm the crowd down.

Trump is basically a 5th grader in a fat old adult body.
 
NJNinja said:
For me Trump's economic policies, while some good and some not so much, weren't great enough to offset the rhetoric. I pulled for Biden like many others because he was too divisive. And lets not forget how Trump, to this day even, tried to steal the election. Doesn't get more un-American than that.
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From the outside, he seems like a "win at any cost" kind of guy.

On my previous post, I worked out some of my figures back to front, so I created a little spreadsheet to work it out for me. We've also had another price jump since I filled up, I was checking the prices on the way home. If I use 95 octane, our mid-strength premium, it will cost me $2.28.9 (AUD) per litre, which converts to $5.98 (USD) per gallon. E10 94 octane I can get for $2.16.9 per litre, or $5.66 per gallon.

So yeah, my next car may be an EV, and we have solar panels on the roof.

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pro 4x said:
Holding steady here in PA @ $4.99 for 87.
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Might drop 18 cents or so if our powers to be decide it would be a good idea to temperaily halt the federal gas tax.

Dumb idea in my opinion. Womt make any sort of difference, And will only hurt us in the end.

They are scrambling to make it seem like they're trying. Nice try

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opie said:
Dumb idea in my opinion. Womt make any sort of difference, And will only hurt us in the end.
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I agree. Our roads are generally bad enough everywhere that if the Fed can give some money for state roads or even just improving our highways, I would not want to reduce that money any further.

opie said:
They are scrambling to make it seem like they're trying. Nice try
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The problem is, like a lot of things, the reaction takes a long time. Even if production of crude oil was increased immediately, we likely wouldn’t see the results for many months. And it doesn’t look like any of the big oil companies are wanting to react to what could be short term or artificial demand as the real driver is the Russian war with Ukraine and the resulting tariffs/uncertainty.
 
dgage said:
I agree. Our roads are generally bad enough everywhere.

The problem is, like a lot of things, the reaction takes a long time. Even if production of crude oil was increased immediately, we likely wouldn’t see the results for many months. And it doesn’t look like any of the big oil companies are wanting to react to what could be short term or artificial demand.
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Your tellin me...i live in the orange cone state also called the pothole state lol...and transportation funding is a necessity for my line of work.

You're right that it may take time if oil production was ramped up. But ive also read that prices would drop pretty quick if drilling and such were unsmothered by the admin. But who knows.

If i were a big oil company, i would not want to invest in something that would be short term either... only to be choked off by the green energy loons.cant blame them if that were to be true.



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opie said:
Your tellin me...i live in the orange cone state also called the pothole state lol...and transportation funding is a necessity for my line of work.

You're right that it may take time if oil production was ramped up. But ive also read that prices would drop pretty quick if drilling and such were unsmothered by the admin. But who knows.

If i were a big oil company, i would not want to invest in something that would be short term either... only to be choked off by the green energy loons.cant blame them if that were to be true.
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We all know what happened with the Keystone pipeline but beyond that, surprisingly I read that the Biden administration had signed more licenses for oil drilling in the first 2 years than the Trump administration in their last 2 years. The issue with the licenses signed by both administrations is that most of the licenses went unused. So I think the issue is more with the oil companies and where they plan to invest their funds or if they plan to invest since there is a lot of risk in the market right now. And if you think about it, it makes sense that the licenses weren’t being used since the cost of oil was so far below $100/bbl the last few years and now that they’re obviously higher prices, if the Russian/Ukrainian war ends tomorrow, the price of oil would drop overnight though by how much is the question. And companies across all industries usually pause investing when there is so much risk and uncertainty with the economy.

And again, the Keystone pipeline would have carried shitty sands oil that is intensive in terms of abrasiveness to refining equipment and the amount of energy and water required to refine it into usable oil. That oil may have actually ended up oversea to be refined as I read the US refineries would rather not process the sands oil.
 
So I researched again on if the Keystone oil would have been exported and as usual, it depends on which side you’re on as some say the Keystone would transfer oil to the Gulf Coast pipeline and be exported and others say there is no proof that oil would be exported.

While researching that, I found that the US exports a lot of oil, more than ever before; over 8.5 million barrels PER DAY last year. This covers all types of petroleum products: crude oil, natural gas, gasoline, fuel oil, etc.
• U.S. petroleum exports 1950-2021 | Statista

Which then begs the question if the US reduces oil exports, would gas prices go down and apparently not since price is tied to global supply/demand.
A Ban on U.S. Crude Oil Exports Would Not Lower Gasoline Prices at the Pump -
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I predict that sometime in the future gas prices will go up and go down. :laughing:
 
Thankyou fed chair jerome powell for stating what us average americans already knew....that everything we are dealing with is not because of some putin price hike, like lunchbox joe like to keep saying it is.

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Currently $4.95/gal. Filled up last night. Had to make 6 trips into work this past week. 16.2 Gal @ $80.44
 
People need to understand that a president cannot waive a magic wand to change prices. Alot goes into determining gas prices. While a president can temporarily try to open reserves and increase supply it is not going to have really any effect on the price. NJ for example has a law that you cannot pump your own gas ie a person has to do it for you.....Nearby CT does yet their prices are higher often.

The keystone XL pipeline ( a continuation of the candian Keystone pipeline) used dirty tar sands oil that would often leak our of the pipe that was poorly built which is bad for the environment. It also would have been sent to other countries and also was not going to be sold on the US market. Alot also goes into the price of gas and right now its pretty obvious we are being gouged at the pump. Even during the worst of times years ago gas was at most 4.50 ish.
Solutions would be getting off foreign oil but also reducing carbon footprint all together,

In regards to politics. You imo can have your view point, protest, get into good trouble as the wise words of john lewis once said, make changes, improve lives etc but never is it right to do what alot of the last admin did,ie threaten staff, bring guns to white house, attempt to overthrow govt, attack capitol police, attempt to attack Secret service, destroy property, lie, push false narratives over and over. You might not like the current admin for polices of other things but please dont tell me what the last admin did was okay to do. Im tired of hearing that it was just not that bad or a tourist visit etc.
 
yup flying around on the merrit in gas guzzlers then be like Muh GaS PricES are ToO HigH !!!
 
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