GG 3in and 6in Struggled with M105/205

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I had planned to completely correct my superbike's paint today in preparation for the PPF going on it on Tuesday but couldn't get M105/205 to play well with the paint. When I initially did the single stage correction in 2015 with a PC7424XP running a 3in backing plate with a 3in Meguiars MF cutting pad and CG V36 I corrected around my Techspec tank grips but not underneath them. I removed the tank grips to correct underneath them so that the scratches wouldn't show through the PPF and thought the tank needed a "maintenance correction", even on the initial pass I began to run into issues.

First attempt: Using a GG 3in with LC 3in MF pad and M105, cutting looked like it was working well but the product seemed to dry out VERY VERY quickly making it extremely difficult to remove. I ended up have to push the microfiber towel into the paint with a lot of pressure to remove the residue which ultimately ended up putting scratches back into the finish. Couple this with my rush to mix IPA and water, which was done in a completely incorrect ratio, and I ended up causing hazing in the paint. I removed the hazing but was still having issues with the M105 drying too quickly to be able to easily remove. I tried following up with a Rupes 3in Yellow Pad and M205 to finish which actually worked out pretty well, but ended up abandoning using M105/205 altogether.

I swapped my backing plate and pad combo over to my GG 6in but still had the same issues and ended up moving to a different pad/product combo.

Second Attempt: Now on my GG 6in with 3in backing plate and 3in LC MF pad with CG V36 I got better results. I have to be honest, I prefer the two-stage correction using M105/205 over the CG V36 process due to the in-depth nature of the correction, but in this situation I simply do not know what was causing the M105 to dry so quickly and become so difficult to remove. M205 removed with some more ease but it neither removed as quickly or cleanly as the V36. Ultimately, I feel like it was not my best work and I ended up only correcting the two areas I planned on getting covered in PPF.

Can anyone offer input as to why the M105/205 was so difficult to work with? Is that how it normally is? I thought it might be the length of time I worked it in that probably heated it to the point it started drying, or maybe my speed was set too high?

Any advice or help is greatly appreciated!
 
Yes, M105 dries quickly especially with a high air temp and humidity. One way to prolong the use of M105 is to spray the pad with deionized water. Work in the shade when the surface is cool to the touch. Hope this helps

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Buster906 said:
Yes, M105 dries quickly especially with a high air temp and humidity. One way to prolong the use of M105 is to spray the pad with deionized water. Work in the shade when the surface is cool to the touch. Hope this helps

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Ah, well in NC temps were very high today and with that I'm sure humidity was also very high. I will keep that in mind when/if I ever have to do this again in the future.
 
Have you heard of HD SPEED?

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HD SPEED is an AIO or all in one. A polish that has cutting ability and leaves a light layer of protection.

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Go on YouTube and search for Waxmode, Nextleveldetailing, Obsessed Garage, and Accord79, Esoteric detailing, AMMO NYC

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And Auto fetish detailing

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Look into water-based compounds. They stay pretty wet throughout the process and are a lot easier to remove.

Since you are using the GG machines, have you tried their BOSS (Best of Show System) products? Their Fast Correcting, Correcting, and Perfecting creams are pretty good.
 
Try the M205 on your microfiber to cut.

You might find that it cuts and finishes well enough to do a one step. If not, follow M205 on a foam pad.

Another thing you might want to do is to prime your microfiber with M205, and add a drop of M105 to the pad for more cut - if needed.

What speed were you using?

Microfiber pads Don't require high speeds to accomplish their task. Keeping the speed and hear down will help M105 stay wet longer, but it was actually designed to get in there fast, and be done. Long working time with M105 isn't really going to happen.

I've switched to M100 for longer working time. Ultimate Compound is also awesome on microfiber pads.
 
Thanks for all the input guys! A lot of those Youtube Detailing channels are channels I already watch (mostly Ammo NYC, Obsessed Garage, and Esoteric).

I was using speeds 3-5 for the M105, which I think was generating an excessive amount of heat and caused the product to dry out even faster. I also forgot completely to prime the MF pads prior to applying the three dots of product. The corrections are done with the exception of one spot I missed which I will be going back to remove later today.
 
The M105/205 combo is a great product, however, it is prone to drying/dusting quickly in some conditions. If you are having problems with that I usually will do a spritz on the pad with a DS and that seems to take care of the dryness. I am using Blackfire or Aquawax. IMO you will have to do that during the detail, regardless. That's me and may be different for other people.

I am using Menzerna FG400 and SF4500 and have nothing but great success with that combo.

I have heard that 3D is good stuff too. Wolfgang and many other combos work well too. Either way, I hope the spritzing the pad may help. Another possibility is that you may be putting on too much product. Just a couple of pea size drops should do. Either way, I hope I racked your brain enough!....LOL
 
Wow, a lot of insightful feedback and help which I really appreciate!

There were some spots I realized I missed, so yesterday I went back over them with the GG 3in DA with a LC 3in MF cutting pad and CG V36. What I did realize is that the GG 3in DA definitely can correct paint, but it may take slightly longer. I already know the GG 3in DA does not require a lot of downward pressure to correct, however I once saw a YouTube video where the guy correcting was applying insane amounts of pressure and it was completely unnecessary.

I ended up going with a pre-cut PPF kit (Xpel Ultimate) that is specifically made for my bike, so I will re-inspect the paint and use M205 w/ a Rupes Yellow foam pad to address anything that remains prior to installing the kit myself.

As far as the rock chips go, I think I will take it slowly and use the Dr. Colorchip and address one chip at a time over a few weeks. I found it difficult to work with but I think this was due to the extremely high humidity I was trying to apply the touch-up paint in.

Thanks for all the help, I will make sure to properly prime the pads with a detailing spray and not use so much product next time.
 
Update:

Successfully completed a two stage correction on the fuel tank using M105/205 and paying attention to what we've discussed in the thread so far. I wasn't fully satisfied with how the CG V6 worked out, so I decided to skip the PPF install and ride the bike for a few weeks instead. I found a company that pre-cuts PPF kits for superbikes so I ordered one for mine and decided to spend the day cutting/finishing to prepare for the install. Will be completing the install on Monday.

I might correct the other fairings during winter, still haven't decided.
 
Fuel tank looks amazing now, the GG 3in definitely can correct and does a great job if you know what you're doing. I would make a pass and then inspect and in doing so I would find areas where DA didn't remove the defects completely so I would make a second pass focused on those areas.

I just installed the PPF kit today, the sides of the tank went on with no issues, but the center piece was a different story. I kept getting massive air pockets due to my working too slowly and the contour of the tank. I ended up ordering a new center piece and will have a local shop install it for me to get it perfect.

I am noticing now though that the rest of the bike is not up to par with the fuel tank, the fairings look dull in comparison so a correction of the bodywork minus the tank is due in the next few months. Now I should be able to get near perfect results on every piece of bodywork.
 
K5GSXR750 said:
Fuel tank looks amazing now, the GG 3in definitely can correct and does a great job if you know what you're doing. I would make a pass and then inspect and in doing so I would find areas where DA didn't remove the defects completely so I would make a second pass focused on those areas.

I just installed the PPF kit today, the sides of the tank went on with no issues, but the center piece was a different story. I kept getting massive air pockets due to my working too slowly and the contour of the tank. I ended up ordering a new center piece and will have a local shop install it for me to get it perfect.

I am noticing now though that the rest of the bike is not up to par with the fuel tank, the fairings look dull in comparison so a correction of the bodywork minus the tank is due in the next few months. Now I should be able to get near perfect results on every piece of bodywork.
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Sounds like great progress. It sounds like you're going to end up doing the whole bike. I'm sure it will be well worth it if you do.
 
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