GG compared to Meguire's. Also PCxp.

Ya i figured megs would send a box out kinda like microsoft does for the xbox 360 rrod, but one could only be so lucky. Im glad i still have the g100 to use in the mean time (along with my dusty dewalt rotary) but im still peeved that I have been a couple months without the machine (lean operation hasnt allowed the budget for it to be shipped until now.)

As far as the video, you definitely get the idea as to the g110v2's abilities.
 
Good video. Is that the DA Microfiber Disc?

I wonder which machine has the least vibrations to the hand and least noise.
 
A UL listing means that an independent company has gone through and verified the specifications listed on the machine. Otherwise, companies are free to post whatever they want. Also, the UL certification is essential for product safety.

It's unacceptable for a mass produced tool not be UL listed these days. My Griot's DA is parked until a listing is proven.

The GG6 is CE listed and approved... According to what Griot's said the CE listing is a higher standard than the UL listing... and according to CE listings they are not required to place labels on the equipment...
 
Good video. Is that the DA Microfiber Disc?

I wonder which machine has the least vibrations to the hand and least noise.

Yeah, it's a 5.5" MF cutting pad and I was using D300. Backing plate is the Meguiar's W67DA.

Noise wise I'm betting they're all about the same. Not sure on the vibrations.
 
i dont get why some people are calling the pc7424xp / g110v2 weak... i own the pc. and Ive bared down on it extremely hard still rotated . used it on plenty of curves no issue u just have to make sure all the force isn't focused on say an edge of the pad. u hold it flat there's no problem. actually really easy. way i see it. any of the 3 will work the same. and accomplish the same. if used the same. all 3 can do amazing work. if used correctly. and all 3 can give bad results if used incorrectly.
 
i dont get why some people are calling the pc7424xp / g110v2 weak...

i think alot of this ^ is that ppl are trying to do the "kbm" by applying full body weight.... now, i can't say that i understand kevins method 100%, but i'm pretty sure "full body weight" was not his intentions when he said to apply "heavy pressure"

the main reason i choose the gg6 is because of its lifetime warranty. i tend to be a bit rough on things

as for power.....

i never run the machine past level 5 anyway, as it tends to get abit squirrly on 6 :buffing:
 
I have had all these machines except for the g110v2. I go threw on a monthly basis 1-2 machines in the high volume part of my business. We beat the crap out of them. From my personal exsperiance, the porter cable machines are junk. I went threw 4 in one month. I later went to the griots machine and they were better, but not as strong as the surehold polisher. The two currently I have are going strong on 3 months of hard labor. 50 hours a week solid. I was actually talking to Jason Rose about the issues I have with all these machines and Porscheguy brought up a very huge factor about the g110v2 being UL listed. Jason Rose has told me about what is done to get approved and I was impressed. My next machines will be the g110v2 if these surehold polishers take a dump. Here is a photo of myself with Jason Rose and Kevin Brown at dinner the night of discussion. Also in this picture is David Fermani, Grant Liben, Tunch Goren from 3D and Ben from 3D.

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Im curious if there is anyone else out there who uses these machine as hard as we do. If so do they have the new g110v2? I'd love to hear there feedback.
 
Thats a dangerous looking crowd you roll with Barry :hotrod2:
 
Thanks Flash!!! How the heck are ya bud?

Oh. I suppose things could be better, but then again, they sure could be a whole lot worse. I'm crusin at a happy medium at the moment I guess you could say

How about you and yours?

BTW...Whats up with the one plate of food on that table? Looks like Kevin was the only one with an appetite...:hungry: and that waiter, is like "14 drinks and one appetizer" :laughing:
 
Thought I would jump in and give a little clarfication on UL, CE, ect.

1st off let me get this out: These logos do not have anything to do with quality.

These are safety logos. As someone has mentioned before they are tested by a 3rd party laboratory. In order to get the UL mark the lab has to be recognized by UL. The lab will test to the appropriate standard UL60065, for example. This is for Audio/Video equipment. There is also CSA, ETL, ect. These logos mean the product will fail safe. In other words, there should be little risk of electrical shock/fire/burns/ect. Terms like creepage and clearance and double insulated wiring is used to help prevent this along with flame rated plastics (V-0 for example), among others.

If a product does not have a logo it does not mean it was not engineered to be safe. It means the vendor did not send off for the 3rd party verification as it is quite expensive. Granted the testing can be stringent, but again, has nothing to do with quality. In fact, it's normal for the product to not work after the testing because it is simply being tested to be safe at failure.

It's also good to know the UL (or CSA, ETL, ect) logos are for the USA and Canada only. cUL is for UL Canada, ULus is for UL USA, and cULus is for Canada and USA.

Different countries have different requirements regarding safety requirements, therefore for different countries different testing has to be done, ect.

The CE logo is for Europe only, it has nothing to do with or required for the US or Canada. So whoever said it was a higher listing than the "UL" logo is full of it. In fact, the CE logo is a self declared logo. This can be put on a product and it never tested. However, if EU authorities were to request the documentation proving worthy of the CE logo the vendor would be required to produce it in a short amount of time. While the EU is a 230V area, many 120V products have the CE logo on it as well. This is simply for marking sake and to help keep vendor skus down. Makes it easy to just have the CE logo on everything.

Anyway, just thought I would shed a quick bit of light on the logo subject. To each their own if they elect to not purchase because it doesn't have a logo, but does not mean the product won't fail safe even though. ALTHOUGH..if proper engineering practices weren't used..it surely could, but here is the US that's dangerous with how sue happy we are.

Also worth noting, just because it DOES have a logo, doesn't mean there is NO risk in injury, fire, ect. Another bit of fuel on the fire, a lot of the time the testing is done in China. Sad to say, but there are times when money talks..so a logo can be "bought" and a report produced showing it met, but in actuality..it doesn't. So the logo really can lose it's meaning fast with that knowledge.

What I'm getting at mostly is don't be too weary just because the logos are missing. Look the product over and if it looks unsafe...it prob is. I am a compliance engineer and own the GG6", I've looked it over..I don't see any issues with it BUT don't plug it in, stand in a bathtub full of water and drop it in and say "watch this..it has a logo on it!"
 
Incorrect. The G100 was made by Porter Cable (in fact, my G100 has the Porter Cable Model 7336 label plainly visible on the tool body) and included a lifetime replacement warranty. The G110v1 and G110v2 were both manufactured in China under contract and I'm told that the v2 has undergone several changes and upgrades since its initial release.... most notably the power cord which was widely known to be a problem on early models. Neither G110 model has carried the lifetime warranty the G100 did.

I bought a G110V2 about 1 1/2 months ago and the power cord just started crapping out on me this past weekend. I'm pretty disappointed to say the least, and I would think my machine is not from an older batch given how recently it was purchased.
 
Thought I would jump in and give a little clarfication on UL, CE, ect.

1st off let me get this out: These logos do not have anything to do with quality.

These are safety logos. As someone has mentioned before they are tested by a 3rd party laboratory. In order to get the UL mark the lab has to be recognized by UL. The lab will test to the appropriate standard UL60065, for example. This is for Audio/Video equipment. There is also CSA, ETL, ect. These logos mean the product will fail safe. In other words, there should be little risk of electrical shock/fire/burns/ect. Terms like creepage and clearance and double insulated wiring is used to help prevent this along with flame rated plastics (V-0 for example), among others.

If a product does not have a logo it does not mean it was not engineered to be safe. It means the vendor did not send off for the 3rd party verification as it is quite expensive. Granted the testing can be stringent, but again, has nothing to do with quality. In fact, it's normal for the product to not work after the testing because it is simply being tested to be safe at failure.

It's also good to know the UL (or CSA, ETL, ect) logos are for the USA and Canada only. cUL is for UL Canada, ULus is for UL USA, and cULus is for Canada and USA.

Different countries have different requirements regarding safety requirements, therefore for different countries different testing has to be done, ect.

The CE logo is for Europe only, it has nothing to do with or required for the US or Canada. So whoever said it was a higher listing than the "UL" logo is full of it. In fact, the CE logo is a self declared logo. This can be put on a product and it never tested. However, if EU authorities were to request the documentation proving worthy of the CE logo the vendor would be required to produce it in a short amount of time. While the EU is a 230V area, many 120V products have the CE logo on it as well. This is simply for marking sake and to help keep vendor skus down. Makes it easy to just have the CE logo on everything.

Anyway, just thought I would shed a quick bit of light on the logo subject. To each their own if they elect to not purchase because it doesn't have a logo, but does not mean the product won't fail safe even though. ALTHOUGH..if proper engineering practices weren't used..it surely could, but here is the US that's dangerous with how sue happy we are.

Also worth noting, just because it DOES have a logo, doesn't mean there is NO risk in injury, fire, ect. Another bit of fuel on the fire, a lot of the time the testing is done in China. Sad to say, but there are times when money talks..so a logo can be "bought" and a report produced showing it met, but in actuality..it doesn't. So the logo really can lose it's meaning fast with that knowledge.

What I'm getting at mostly is don't be too weary just because the logos are missing. Look the product over and if it looks unsafe...it prob is. I am a compliance engineer and own the GG6", I've looked it over..I don't see any issues with it BUT don't plug it in, stand in a bathtub full of water and drop it in and say "watch this..it has a logo on it!"

Thank you for saving me the time of typing something like this. I was just about to go get clarification from the Compliance Engineer at my work. I'm responsible for updating all our labels and certificates at my company and I knew the info people were posting didn't sound correct. ;)
 
I bought a G110V2 about 1 1/2 months ago and the power cord just started crapping out on me this past weekend. I'm pretty disappointed to say the least, and I would think my machine is not from an older batch given how recently it was purchased.

Look at the front of the box it came in, it will say when it was built.
 
Look at the front of the box it came in, it will say when it was built.

Thanks. Unfortunately I think I already tossed the box out. Hopefully it doesn't have to go back in that back specifically to get warranty service done. I still have the paperwork and receipt.
 
What I'm getting at mostly is don't be too weary just because the logos are missing. Look the product over and if it looks unsafe...it prob is. I am a compliance engineer and own the GG6", I've looked it over..I don't see any issues with it BUT don't plug it in, stand in a bathtub full of water and drop it in and say "watch this..it has a logo on it!"

Agreed.

If manufacturer purchases the motor already tested by UL, the remaining details are quite basic. With the certification, you also subscribe (pay) for follow up service where they are supposed to do follow factory inspection.
 
i think alot of this ^ is that ppl are trying to do the "kbm" by applying full body weight.... now, i can't say that i understand kevins method 100%, but i'm pretty sure "full body weight" was not his intentions when he said to apply "heavy pressure"

:iagree: The thing is, as I demonstrated in the video I posted, these polishers can withstand having full body weight applied anyway, even though it's not necessary or even advisable to do so in most cases.
 
:iagree: The thing is, as I demonstrated in the video I posted, these polishers can withstand having full body weight applied anyway, even though it's not necessary or even advisable to do so in most cases.

Charlie, what speed are you on in that video?
 
Look at the front of the box it came in, it will say when it was built.

So I did keep the box, which helps since I'm mailing it back to Meguiar's for a replacement today. My G110V2 was manufactured 12/28/2010.
 
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