Glaze? Sealant? good combo?

[PiPUK]

My personal favorite glaze is Wet Glaze 2.0. It contains no fillers so corrected, polished paint is best. WG 2.0 is a pure gloss enhancer that produces depth, gloss, and dripping wet reflections!

"Wet Glaze 2.0 is made with acrylic polymers that form a very strong bond to the vehicles surface so you are sure it will not wash away like other glazes.
The polymers also allow Wet Glaze 2.0 to do something that you can't even think about doing with other glazes, they allow it to be topped with a wax or sealant without any bonding or application issues!"

Layering...
As stated, you can layer below and/or above your wax or sealant. I've done 2-3 layers directly on the paint then applied my sealant of choice. For that Saturday night out I apply one or two layers on top.

Yes, it has polymers. However, the term 'glaze' gives away that it fills. If a product doesn't fill, it cannot be a glaze. Check the data sheet, wg2.0 has plenty of filling beyond the polymers.

Oh and unless something has changed, the polymers are not acrylic...

 

[JAMM0N]

WG 2.0 from the shoppe?

that is true some people do get paid to advertise and its such a bummer when other detailers try itnout and their feedback is totally different. i like to hear it from others experience vs it being said in a magazine/article.

on another note i got me hd cut/polish in the mail today

cant wait to try those out.

@pipuk well wouldnt the paint even after the glaze be exposed to mother nature and that you should seal it? or should there be a wait period before applying sealant on top of a glaze as a LSP?

 

[FUNX650]

@JAMM0N:

If you don't mind...In order (for me) to have a more enjoyable AGO forum-experience: I'm going to just stay away from further debating of CG products and anyone's endorsements thereof.


So: Back to your thread's topic.
As such, I'll add the following to my previous suggestions (Posts#s: 6;10 ) for a good glaze/sealant combo:

Glaze......Meguiar's M07 Show Car Glaze
Sealant...Meguiar's G182 Ultimate Liquid Wax (ULW)


Bob

 

[allenk4]

@JAMM0N:

If you don't mind...In order (for me) to have a more enjoyable AGO forum-experience: I'm going to just stay away from further debating of CG products and anyone's endorsements thereof.


So: Back to your thread's topic.
As such, I'll add the following to my previous suggestions (Posts#s: 6;10 ) for a good glaze/sealant combo:

Glaze......Meguiar's M07 Show Car Glaze
Sealant...Meguiar's G182 Ultimate Liquid Wax (ULW)


Bob

Bob,

You seem to endorse 3M Imperial Hand Glaze quite a bit.

Is 3M cutting you a check?

Are you trying to throw us off by suggesting Meguiar's Glaze? Ah Ha....they are owned by 3M. Separate checks?

 

[FUNX650]

Bob,

You seem to endorse 3M Imperial Hand Glaze quite a bit.

Is 3M cutting you a check?

Are you trying to throw us off by suggesting Meguiar's Glaze? Ah Ha....they are owned by 3M. Separate checks?

He do spuffle, dunt he?


Bob

 

[allenk4]

He do spuffle, dunt he?


Bob

Had to look that one up

Spuffle

UK Old Norfolk saying = meaning to talk a lot, or to talk with self importance or pompously.

“He do spuffle, dunt he?”

by Ned2010 September 19, 2010


If anyone on the Forum can be accused of having a pompous tone, it might be you


I thought for sure you would see the humor in my pointing out that it is OK for Forum Members to suggest products, but when a "Pro" does it, there is often an assumption that they are being compensated

 

[FUNX650]

If anyone on the Forum can be accused of having a pompous tone, it might be you

The beauty of it is: I'm not. :dblthumb2:

I thought for sure you would see the humor in my pointing out that it is OK for Forum Members to suggest products, but when a "Pro" does it, there is often an assumption that they are being compensated

^^^Why change the subject?^^^

Is this another one of your performances?
If so:
It, too, has been a little less than dazzling.


Bob

 

[allenk4]

@JAMM0N:

If you don't mind...In order (for me) to have a more enjoyable AGO forum-experience: I'm going to just stay away from further debating of CG products and anyone's endorsements thereof.


So: Back to your thread's topic.
As such, I'll add the following to my previous suggestions (Posts#s: 6;10 ) for a good glaze/sealant combo:

Glaze......Meguiar's M07 Show Car Glaze
Sealant...Meguiar's G182 Ultimate Liquid Wax (ULW)


Bob

My point was that you try to undermine the suggestion of someone else (Cooperider) and then in the next sentence give your own suggestion

Not trying to jerk your chain, just pointing out that your thoughts on the opinions of others does not apply to your ability to express your own opinion

I don't particularly like CG, mostly because their marketing claims are over the top. I do endorse EZ Glaze Acrylic Glaze 2.0 as product I have used on multiple vehicles with good results. I will advise anyone who asks in the Forum that I like it and point out that Mr. Cooperider and Mr. Mayo have similar opinions. I do not know if they get a check from CG.

 

[VISITOR]

kyle, some people need to push away from the keyboard sometimes and it's not you. quite a few feel the same way...

 

[allenk4]

The beauty of it is: I'm not. :dblthumb2:


^^^Why change the subject?^^^

Is this another one of your performances?
If so:
It, too, has been a little less than dazzling.


Bob

I though it was you who changed the subject by calling me names

You are not allowed to decide if others perceive you as pompous or not

You like your cut & paste humor and can't appreciate my originality

 

[FUNX650]

@JAMMON:

•Please excuse any hi-jacking of your thread by me. TIA.

•Re: Glaze? Sealant? good combo?
-Here's another combo that often comes up for consideration:

"Glaze"/Sealant.....Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze.
-It is recommended by the manufacturer to use Klasse AIO
prior to the K-HGSG application.

Note:
As you can tell...
Different manufacturers have different, and sometimes unclear, definitions to what constitutes a "glaze".


Bob

 

[Bunky]

Y= Check the data sheet, wg2.0 has plenty of filling beyond the polymers.

What is the msds tells you it is has fillers?

 

[Mike Moore]

WG 2.0 from the shoppe?

That is true some people do get paid to advertise and its such a bummer when other detailers try it out and their feedback is totally different.
i like to hear it from others experience vs it being said in a magazine/article.

1) Yes, it was The Detail Shoppe. They are now closed and Wet Glaze 2.0 has not been available for a couple of years.

2) I do hope you were not insinuating that I received any remuneration for my endorsement of a discontinued product?

Please see thread http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...221-calling-meghan-about-wet-glaze-2-0-a.html for more info. In post #32 Mike P. gives a definition of a glaze.

The Detail Shoppe: Wet Glaze 2.0 Frequently Asked Questions <- The last posted info I've been able to find on the net.

...Dave (the owner) seems like a very nice guy and his reasons for stopping production are very legit. They are his own and I will not elaborate further.
Hopefully he'll resume production someday, but if not, I feel sorry for anyone who didn't get a chance to try this product.

Well said "...I feel sorry for anyone who didn't get a chance to try this product."

...if you knew more about it I am sure you would feel differently.

...after talking with Dave I understand and sympathize with his decision. Trust me, there are more important things in life than selling a car shiner upper.

I too spoke with Dave (The Detail Shoppe) and agree with his decision. "...there are more important things in life..."

Moving On...There are tons of great products out there in both glazes & sealants. "Find what you like and use it often."

 

[Zubair]

Anything Chemical Guys/Poor Boys have marketing claims so astronomical that the hype makes infomercials look subtly honest. Go and read any of CG and PB marketing material, its over the top hilarious! Like poured between the thighs of virgins with each product having the highest,wettest,deepest shine with 1000% carnauba hahaha, their marketing guys are on a different level with outrageous claims. I use blackhole,white diamond and ez acrylic glaze, all work exactly the same-good but not even close to what the ads sensationalise and glamourise.

 

[JAMM0N]

ive only bought their polish/correction

but a lot of people recommend menz and megs for correction and polish when i went through CG sale.

i wasnt pulled into their marketing at that time and i was starting fresh w a GG6 w just pads and no compound.

i would hate to buy a product that is very useful and waste it hence starting w megs and menz would be ideal for a glaze and sealant.

 

[Zubair]

Megs,Menz,Collinite,Wolfgang are certainly not hype, I use and buy these religiously as they work as advertised. Yes everyone claims the greatest shine/gloss etc. But these consistantly destroy the pretenders to the throne convincingly. They can gladly take my money cause they worth it.
AG sells generally really good stuff but some brands are certainly "wow" and they the ones that won't break the bank account either. I have shelves of product and now see right through marketing bull.

 

[PiPUK]

@pipuk well wouldnt the paint even after the glaze be exposed to mother nature and that you should seal it? or should there be a wait period before applying sealant on top of a glaze as a LSP?

The thing is that you cannot 'seal' the glaze in. The sealants rely on a bond to the paint. If they are sitting on top of the glaze then they are not bound to the surface so your durability is compromised. In practice the sealant will often find its way to the substrate, mixing with the glaze. So you will mostly end up with the glaze exposed anyway. Leaving it for a time is not going to make any difference because glazes are not things which cure, as soon as the carriers evaporate, they are done.

Now, as I saw discussed above, the use of the 'glaze' terminology is variable. WG2.0 does use a component which would bond to the surface (together with something which does not). This is what gave much of the durability and it is likely that other 'durable' glazes do something similar. I have said before, this approach is not really so different to sealants. At best, I would suggest that WG2.0 was a sealant with a lot of fillers.

 

[JAMM0N]

@pipuk too bad its not on the market anymore though.

 

[PiPUK]

It doesn't appear anything all that special, to be honest. We've replicated it in lab trials but no one has yet taken it on to their brand.

 

[FUNX650]

The thing is that you cannot 'seal' the glaze in.

The sealants rely on a bond to the paint. If they are sitting on top of the glaze then they are not bound to the surface so your durability is compromised. In practice the sealant will often find its way to the substrate, mixing with the glaze. So you will mostly end up with the glaze exposed anyway. Leaving it for a time is not going to make any difference because glazes are not things which cure, as soon as the carriers evaporate, they are done.

Now, as I saw discussed above, the use of the 'glaze' terminology is variable.

Here's another glaze variation:
Meguiars M305 Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze

Meguiars 305 Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze

From its AGO product description...(even sounds like it's possible to "seal-it-in"):
"You can also use Meguiars M305 Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze on cured finishes (think new car that you just purchased) to enhance gloss before you apply a dedicated wax or sealant".

And being that its Wax-component appears to be Montan Wax...
http://www.meguiars.co.uk/attach/downloads/3381605_uk.pdf

It would seem to fly against the traditional method of:
Wax over Sealant, if one would be so inclined to apply
a Sealant atop the M305 Glaze.



Bob