Good product to remove wax

conquistador said:
Read the post again. They only way to truly strip a LSP is with an abrasive polish or a specified paint cleaner. Neither APC or Klasse AIO fit into those catagories.

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Actually, Klasse AIO is a chemical paint cleaner. It also leaves the surface prepped to accept an acrylic based sealant.
 
HateSwirls said:
I'd polish it out using 205 then wash the car again adding a little bit of APC.
That should be plenty to remove the wax plus the 205 would prep it nicely for you to get it ready for a sealant.
Well that's how I do it anyway and works great IMO
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I do the same to be sure I'm working with a clean surface to apply LSP! Using a light polish is really the best way as it strips away protection and adds gloss to your paint.
 
Everytime I touch paint with a polish I am able to get out any imperfections but I tend to leave a light cloudy hazy to the paint for some reason. You won't see the haze unless I point the spot out to you but it is there. It may be because I'm so afraid to damage the paint that I don't polish enough. Maybe not enough section passes. I have a 2014 black vet and I'm nervous about ruining it.

I even bought the DA polisher all the colorful pads. I have M205, M7, Pinnacle Finishing Polish, and the Paintworks Cleansing lotion. No matter what I use I leave a very light cloud. Hard to see but I see it. Watching all the Videos, I use the techniques they teach you start with a mild polish and mild pad and get only as aggressive as you need to fix the imperfection. But I get a cloud with mildest stuff. Could it be from dry polishing, maybe not enough product?
 
As some mentioned, the CG Citrus Wash Red does it for me as well. I sometimes add about an ounce or two of CG Grime Reaper APC to the mix as well.
 
KillaCam said:
Ultima paint guard wash must leave a durable film when I use it because it destroys my beading and it doesn't ever return.
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I have perhaps become lazy. I don't know the product beyond what a google search tells me. From what I can see, it is just another bucket additive type wash (in other words, it is mild surfactant based because you can stick your hands in it). This type of product will not touch a half decent durable LSP. My experience is simply that, either your LSP will not be stripped by such products or your LSP isn't particularly durable. I do accept that there are examples of the latter but I would ask why someone would use an LSP with such limited durability when there are others which will last much better?

For fact I can tell you that there are numerous LSP products (including wax based) in the UK which will not be stripped with dawn/fairy liquid, APC (whether dilute or strong), IPA and even (assuming the finish is not many months old and failing badly) solvent based degreasers (exemplified by the likes of tarminator). I can tell you for sure because we make them.
 
IMO a good product to remove wax or clean you car down to no protection and start all over is plain dishwashing soap Liquid Dawn or Palmolive. That is ONLY for stripping the wax and starting all over (clay bar, compound polish if necessary, polish, sealant and wax).

Dishwashing soap is strong enough to remove all that and does not damage your paint. Of course you will have no protection anymore. Even Zaino Bro's application guide says this too. I have and have not experienced any problems.

Again, dishwashing soap for stripping off wax.
 
Kamakaz1961 said:
IMO a good product to remove wax or clean you car down to no protection and start all over is plain dishwashing soap Liquid Dawn or Palmolive. That is ONLY for stripping the wax and starting all over (clay bar, compound polish if necessary, polish, sealant and wax).

Dishwashing soap is strong enough to remove all that and does not damage your paint. Of course you will have no protection anymore. Even Zaino Bro's application guide says this too.

Again, dishwashing soap for stripping off wax.
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Are you absolutely 100% positive?

So many posts to the otherwise...
Even by bona fide Chemist!!

IMHO:
If, after you wash with a detergent, and then you're going to clay, compound, polish...Yes, all of that will probably do the "stripping".


Bob
 
I've used Dawn and CG Citrus Wash Red and both do a good job of stripping. The clay and 2nd wash of Dawn or CGCWR and it seems like I'm 90-95% given the rinse after usually sits flat on the paint. Anything left at that point should get taken out by the compound/polish.
 
FUNX725 said:
Are you absolutely 100% positive?

So many posts to the otherwise...
Even by bona fide Chemist!!

IMHO:
If, after you wash with a detergent, and then you're going to clay, compound, polish...Yes, all of that will probably do the "stripping".


Bob
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Yes FUNX725 I just do the dishwashing soap 1 time or 2 times a year. This is just for prepping the car for the detail. After clay barring, compound or polishing, I re-wash the car with a good car wash soap PBL car soap or Optimum or of that caliber. Then I put the sealant and wax on. So far in the last few years I have not experienced any problems....except for less hair!!...LOL :xyxthumbs:
 
wdmaccord said:
I've used Dawn and CG Citrus Wash Red and both do a good job of stripping. The clay and 2nd wash of Dawn or CGCWR and it seems like I'm 90-95% given the rinse after usually sits flat on the paint. Anything left at that point should get taken out by the compound/polish.
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:iagree::dblthumb2:
 
PiPUK said:
I have perhaps become lazy. I don't know the product beyond what a google search tells me. From what I can see, it is just another bucket additive type wash (in other words, it is mild surfactant based because you can stick your hands in it). This type of product will not touch a half decent durable LSP. My experience is simply that, either your LSP will not be stripped by such products or your LSP isn't particularly durable. I do accept that there are examples of the latter but I would ask why someone would use an LSP with such limited durability when there are others which will last much better?



For fact I can tell you that there are numerous LSP products (including wax based) in the UK which will not be stripped with dawn/fairy liquid, APC (whether dilute or strong), IPA and even (assuming the finish is not many months old and failing badly) solvent based degreasers (exemplified by the likes of tarminator). I can tell you for sure because we make them.
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It's a very concentrated wash soap. 1 oz to 3 gallons of water. It greatly affected to beading and sheeting of two coats of collinite 845 that were applied less than a month prior.
It does state that "our free rinsing formula that never leaves a film and gentle enough to not remove even the most delicate of waxes, our special paint conditioners resist water spotting and restore a high gloss shine".
Maybe the water conditioners are masking the protection underneath?
 
Kamakaz1961 said:
IMO a good product to remove wax or clean you car down to no protection and start all over is plain dishwashing soap Liquid Dawn or Palmolive. That is ONLY for stripping the wax and starting all over (clay bar, compound polish if necessary, polish, sealant and wax).

Dishwashing soap is strong enough to remove all that and does not damage your paint. Of course you will have no protection anymore. Even Zaino Bro's application guide says this too. I have and have not experienced any problems.

Again, dishwashing soap for stripping off wax.
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I had a hard time believing that Dawn and other agents don't remove LSPs after all those years of using this method. I think Sal at Zaino got us all into this habit.

Next time you do a Dawn wash try this--simply dry an area that you think has been stripped of LSP. Give that area a wipe down with IPA and spray water on it again--I think you'll be amazed that the beading or sheeting returns. The Dawn leaves a surfactant behind that makes the paint look like it's free of LSP and the IPA removes the surfactant to reveal the pre-existing LSP. I've done this with a very strong mix of CG original Citrus Wash that was designed just to remove LSPs using a long dwell time and after the IPA wipe the beading/sheeting return.

Surfactant definition: Surfactants are compounds that lower the surface tension (or interfacial tension) between two liquids or between a liquid and a solid. Surfactants may act as detergents, wetting agents, emulsifiers, foaming agents, and dispersants.
 
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