Griots Garage 6in buffer

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So I have the Griots Garage 6" random orbital buffer. I am wonder how much correction I can with this compared to like a Flex 4301. I only do my cars and then some friends cars. I use Meguiars M105 & M205. Should I be able to remove all defects and small swirrels with just more time. Thanks for anybody's knowledge on this and experience. Can you get 90-95% correction? I have orange pads and g microfiber cutting pads.
 
If it can be done with the Porter Cable 7424xp, it can probably be done with the gg6.
 
fejcharson said:
So I have the Griots Garage 6" random orbital buffer. I am wonder how much correction I can with this compared to like a Flex 4301. I only do my cars and then some friends cars. I use Meguiars M105 & M205. Should I be able to remove all defects and small swirrels with just more time. Thanks for anybody's knowledge on this and experience. Can you get 90-95% correction? I have orange pads and g microfiber cutting pads.
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yes. your machine is more than adequate for anything you might need to do.
 
So the only difference in something like a Flex 3401 would be time to achieve?
 
fejcharson said:
So the only difference in something like a Flex 3401 would be time to achieve?
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Time and, for me, physical effort. The 7424 beat the heck outta me. My arms were killing me after one car. Multiple PMs with Flex uses, some in the same situation as me, convinced me that the Flex was the way to go.
 
Ya I just don't know if its worth it for a casual user like me as long as it can get the defects out I will put the effort in. I did the hood on my camry and still see some light scratches. Maybe some more passes?
 
fejcharson said:
So I have the Griots Garage 6" random orbital buffer. I am wonder how much correction I can with this compared to like a Flex 4301. I only do my cars and then some friends cars. I use Meguiars M105 & M205. Should I be able to remove all defects and small swirrels with just more time. Thanks for anybody's knowledge on this and experience. Can you get 90-95% correction? I have orange pads and g microfiber cutting pads.
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I can barely get 90-95% correction on a new car. Be careful what you tell people..95% correction on a daily driver is a lot.
 
fejcharson said:
Ya I just don't know if its worth it for a casual user like me as long as it can get the defects out I will put the effort in. I did the hood on my camry and still see some light scratches. Maybe some more passes?
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Perhaps different pads and polishes will give you better results.
 
fejcharson said:
So I have the Griots Garage 6" random orbital buffer. I am wonder how much correction I can with this compared to like a Flex 4301. I only do my cars and then some friends cars. I use Meguiars M105 & M205. Should I be able to remove all defects and small swirrels with just more time. Thanks for anybody's knowledge on this and experience. Can you get 90-95% correction? I have orange pads and g microfiber cutting pads.
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I wanted to chime in quick and respond to your question.

The Flex 4301 is a great tool and due to its' 8mm forced rotation orbit it will deliver consistent defect correction throughout all panels...less dependent on technique. Personally, I've had a Flex 4301 since it was first introduced and have not had much time on it. Personal preference I guess.

As for the GG6, I've spent an insane amount of time with the Porter Cable, G110v2, Dewalt, MT300 orbitals and am confident the GG6 delivers the highest pad rotation available. Again, my opinion.

This rotation, combined with slow arm speed and the appropriate pad/liquid will deliver as much paint correction as anyone needs. There may be a trade off with increased time, relative to a Flex or Long-Throw Orbital.

Microfiber will contribute to the greatest correction. The fibers have less grab on the finish and will increase pad rotation. This combined with the mechanical cutting of the fiber will cut very efficiently. Drawback- micro marring may be evident on some clears.

Foam- will finish out better, but sacrifice in correction.

One solution you may consider is to use the Griot's Garage BOSS Pads (8mm thick) on the GG6. The pads will exhibit the following:
Reduced vibration (approximately 8-10grams lighter than comparable 1" pads)
Increase Pad Rotation - there is less absorption of energy which more efficiently transfers energy to the paint- byproduct - rotation
Increase stability- due to the lower center of gravity, the tool will be easier to control and more comfortable.

One of my personal favorites is the BOSS FAST Correcting Foam Pad- white. It cuts on the heals of microfiber, but will finish out with no micro-marring on most finishes.

I'm speaking from personal experience here.. not simply pushing one tool, pad or liquid over another. Please let me know if you've got additional questions.

PS- M105 and M205 are fantastic! I was fortunate to be part of the team at Meguiar's whom helped create them. Along side Jason Rose and team, it was a pleasure. M105 tends to dust and micro-mar oem finishes while used with an orbital. Suggest to check out Griot's Garage FAST Correcting Cream- a sub-micron abrasive which will cut as well as M105, but finish out better with no dust (most environments)
 
Brownie said:
I wanted to chime in quick and respond to your question.

The Flex 4301 is a great tool and due to its' 8mm forced rotation orbit it will deliver consistent defect correction throughout all panels...less dependent on technique. Personally, I've had a Flex 4301 since it was first introduced and have not had much time on it. Personal preference I guess.

As for the GG6, I've spent an insane amount of time with the Porter Cable, G110v2, Dewalt, MT300 orbitals and am confident the GG6 delivers the highest pad rotation available. Again, my opinion.

This rotation, combined with slow arm speed and the appropriate pad/liquid will deliver as much paint correction as anyone needs. There may be a trade off with increased time, relative to a Flex or Long-Throw Orbital.

Microfiber will contribute to the greatest correction. The fibers have less grab on the finish and will increase pad rotation. This combined with the mechanical cutting of the fiber will cut very efficiently. Drawback- micro marring may be evident on some clears.

Foam- will finish out better, but sacrifice in correction.

One solution you may consider is to use the Griot's Garage BOSS Pads (8mm thick) on the GG6. The pads will exhibit the following:
Reduced vibration (approximately 8-10grams lighter than comparable 1" pads)
Increase Pad Rotation - there is less absorption of energy which more efficiently transfers energy to the paint- byproduct - rotation
Increase stability- due to the lower center of gravity, the tool will be easier to control and more comfortable.

One of my personal favorites is the BOSS FAST Correcting Foam Pad- white. It cuts on the heals of microfiber, but will finish out with no micro-marring on most finishes.

I'm speaking from personal experience here.. not simply pushing one tool, pad or liquid over another. Please let me know if you've got additional questions.

PS- M105 and M205 are fantastic! I was fortunate to be part of the team at Meguiar's whom helped create them. Along side Jason Rose and team, it was a pleasure. M105 tends to dust and micro-mar oem finishes while used with an orbital. Suggest to check out Griot's Garage FAST Correcting Cream- a sub-micron abrasive which will cut as well as M105, but finish out better with no dust (most environments)
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Thank you for the full explanation this is great content. So you wouldnt suggest using the m105? I am going to order some different pads, but am going to try much slower passes. What about fg400?
 
I used M105, so much dusting. M205 was great though. I'm looking for a replacement now.
 
fejcharson said:
Thank you for the full explanation this is great content. So you wouldnt suggest using the m105? I am going to order some different pads, but am going to try much slower passes. What about fg400?
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Jeff works for Griots, so hes gona reccomend Griots products. I just ordered some Fast Correct Compound so I cant tell you how good there newest compound is. Personally I would stay away from M105. Many around here like FG 400. I would say a couple other great options would be HD Cut, Sonax Cutmax. I could go on but a I think you get the point. Many great options out there, so whatever you choose, paired with quality pads and sound technique should yield you phenomenal results. Best wishes.
 
Thank you all for the advice I might grab some fg400 and maybe the hd cut. I have seen a lot about both. Ya the m 205 I dont have a problem with I almost try to avoid the 105 because of dusting and how hard it is to buff off. Anybody else have that problem? Will using fg400 and m 205 be alright as a combo?
 
fejcharson said:
Thank you all for the advice I might grab some fg400 and maybe the hd cut. I have seen a lot about both. Ya the m 205 I dont have a problem with I almost try to avoid the 105 because of dusting and how hard it is to buff off. Anybody else have that problem? Will using fg400 and m 205 be alright as a combo?
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It depends on the weather, for me with M105. What seems to work for me is using a very small amount of product on my pad, and spritzing it with M34 Final Inspection for each section I'm buffing. Humidity was pretty low that afternoon, and I was out of the sun.

Nothing wrong with FG400/M205 combination.

Consider Meguiar's M100 for compounding as well.

I love equally Meguiar's and Menzerna. Those are my "universal" brands. I usually use my Rupes polishes and pads with the Duetto. The one exception is that I use Rupes Microfiber pads on the Porter Cable 7424xp when warranted.
 
7.3powerstroke said:
Do you know the difference between 100 and 101. Ive used 101 and nice. Cuts awesome but has some dusting. I know 100 is very cheap.
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M100 was designed to go after Presta Ultra Compound in the body shop business. The Presta compound is gaining market share relative to M105, as a result of a much lower cost

M100 Foam Cut Compound was one of the last products I worked on while at Meguiar's. It has a heavy abrasive load which is designed to work as a Foam Compound commonly used in Europe. If you think M105 is dusty... Oh my. M101 is a dust storm and has a high solvent smell that some may find too strong

Ps. No secret I work at Griot's. 😀. Anyone try Fast Correcting Cream and doesn't see that it outperforms what they're using, they can send it back for a refund. Promise, the stuff is as good as it gets. (My salesman hat is hung in the closet.... That is detailer to detailer telling you like it is. ). Have a good night guys 👍🏼
 
Brownie said:
M100 was designed to go after Presta Ultra Compound in the body shop business. The Presta compound is gaining market share relative to M105, as a result of a much lower cost

M100 Foam Cut Compound was one of the last products I worked on while at Meguiar's. It has a heavy abrasive load which is designed to work as a Foam Compound commonly used in Europe. If you think M105 is dusty... Oh my. M101 is a dust storm and has a high solvent smell that some may find too strong

Ps. No secret I work at Griot's. 😀. Anyone try Fast Correcting Cream and doesn't see that it outperforms what they're using, they can send it back for a refund. Promise, the stuff is as good as it gets. (My salesman hat is hung in the closet.... That is detailer to detailer telling you like it is. ). Have a good night guys 👍🏼
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My gallon is on the way, im expecting it to be good, thats why I got the gallon right away. You have faith in your product making a claim like that. Because there is a lot of good stuff out there right now. Cant wait to try it out. Thanks Jeff :props:
 
Awesome!!!! It takes time to build a brand and earn people's trust. I don't expect it to happen overnight and know it takes time. I'm stoked you stepped up to the gallon. Pm me your address and I might send you a couple things to round out your system. It'd be cool to hear your thought in a reveiw once you've given BOSS a shot. Thanks bud
 
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