Griots Garage ROP vs PC 7424XP

Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

I'm new to this game and considering the PC 7424xp vs. the Griot. I could be incorrect about this, but is it true that the Griot offers only two kinds of 6" pads (orange and red) with a selection of different grade polishing products? If so, is that a disadvantage compared to the PC that uses several more different grades of pads?
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

Pads are interchangable between Brands... and as long as there is Velcro on the back-side, you can use it.

I bought a selection of Lake Country Straight Foam Pads, CCS Foam Pads, Cross Groove Foam Pads and Kompressor Foam Pads... just to try them all out.

In my second order, I bought a smaller Backing Pad, just to give my Foam Pads a little more edge.
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

stevehecht said:
I'm new to this game and considering the PC 7424xp vs. the Griot. I could be incorrect about this, but is it true that the Griot offers only two kinds of 6" pads (orange and red) with a selection of different grade polishing products? If so, is that a disadvantage compared to the PC that uses several more different grades of pads?
Click to expand...

Any of the Lake Country and Cobra 6.5" pads that fit the PC7424xp will also fit the Griot's. Also you can buy smaller sized backing plates thats fits any pc and they will fit the NEW Griot's as well, then you can use any color & any size pads you like on it. I will also say the Griot's is an amazing machine and deserves a close look!:buffing:
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

2003 GMC Denali said:
Pads are interchangable between Brands... and as long as there is Velcro on the back-side, you can use it.

I bought a selection of Lake Country Straight Foam Pads, CCS Foam Pads, Cross Groove Foam Pads and Kompressor Foam Pads... just to try them all out.

In my second order, I bought a smaller Backing Pad, just to give my Foam Pads a little more edge.
Click to expand...

OK, so the obvious question is, which type pad did you like the best? I was planning to start with the CCS--any reason not to? Where can I read up on the relative dis/advantages of each?

EDIT: The Griot is even more appealing for me since I can use my neighbor's.
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

stevehecht said:
OK, so the obvious question is, which type pad did you like the best? I was planning to start with the CCS--any reason not to? Where can I read up on the relative dis/advantages of each?

EDIT: The Griot is even more appealing for me since I can use my neighbor's.
Click to expand...
Why not use his pads too?
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

I don't feel right about that...borrowing his machine occasionally is one thing, but I don't want to use up his pads as well. They're not that expensive and I rather have my own set anyway. All he had was a grody old Griot orange pad...no others...in fact I should buy him a new one to thank him for letting me borrow the RO.
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Just to note, the time stamp for Joe's review is over 3.5 years ago

Feb 3rd, 2006, 06:53 PM


And I'm pretty sure the tool Griot's is selling now is different than the one they were selling when Joe reviewed it.


:)
Click to expand...

If ol' Joe where to be given a loaner Griots polisher he would be happy to compare it against the PC, and G110.... :props:
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

So which one is safest to use and By how much?

I am assuming the PC is the safest from everything I've read.

If so, by how much?
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

There is a thread about:

Meguiar's VS Porter Cable.....

It has good information about Meguiar's, Griots and the new PC7424XP.....

This is my experience from that thread.....

My only experience is with my G100.

It's taken me a while and I'm sure if I attended an Open Garage of some type I would have the long extenstion cord wrapped around my neck by Mike himself.....

But, I've conquered most of my inabilities with exception to patience. The G100 although the least strongest machine among them, it's a great learners tool and stronger than the 6" oribital found at most retail stores that have no correction power at all.

My G100 spins 6" pads great, it spins the Soft Buff 2.0 7" pads with the W68DA backing plate. I had problems with the pad using the W67DA backing plate and use that one with my older pads. I plan on using the W67DA with some 5.5" pads when I get them someday.....

The G100 is kinda noisy but not irratating, I have 4 girls and a boy in the middle so, a little machine noise is nothing.....

My G100 is a re-labeled PC 7335 which is in the same family as the 7336/7424.

It works great with some patience and learning of product use and on a prepped surface.

Polishing paint is a combination of several factors, paint condition, correct product use, patience, machine and pad selection and did I mention patience? Kind of like a computer, you don't have a fast computer simply by having the fastest processor, the video card, FSB, Memory and fast/large hard disk drive is what makes it fast (or not).

I like the PC brand but the Griots looks good too! I'm not sure I'm ready for the Flex or need a flex for my own hobby and a car here and there for cash.....

Some good choices here and really can't go wrong with them.

Keep reading reviews of people and Mike's write ups using the products and get your pocket book out!

Have fun!

Aaron
Click to expand...

It would be a tough choice whether to get the new XP or the Griots for me that is.....

Good topics though, it's want you want in a machine I guess, like someone mentioned in one of these forums....

Ford? Chevy? Dodge? Others? :D
 
Last edited:
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

CEE DOG said:
So which one is safest to use and By how much?

I am assuming the PC is the safest from everything I've read.

If so, by how much?
Click to expand...
Of the three (PCXP, G110, Griots), they are all DA's and one is as safe as the other.
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

Rsurfer said:
Of the three (PCXP, G110, Griots), they are all DA's and one is as safe as the other.
Click to expand...

This is correct. A simple test I did with all of these polishers on the 5.0 speed setting and the 6.0 speed setting is to simply tilt the polisher while it's running with the flat to the surface so that more pressure is being applied to just one edge or side of the pad and they will all slow down in their rotation and usually stop rotating. This does depend upon a few factors like pad size, how wet the surface is and pressure but the point is they are all safe because they all have a clutch.


:)
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
This is correct. A simple test I did with all of these polishers on the 5.0 speed setting and the 6.0 speed setting is to simply tilt the polisher while it's running with the flat to the surface so that more pressure is being applied to just one edge or side of the pad and they will all slow down in their rotation and usually stop rotating. This does depend upon a few factors like pad size, how wet the surface is and pressure but the point is they are all safe because they all have a clutch.


:)
Click to expand...
Not a 100% sure but i don't think the PC has a clutch in the sence of a part that slips when to much pressure is added.That's what i believe the word clutch means when it is used on a machine like the Pc .Please correct me if i'm wrong maybe the pc uses something like that and is being called a clutch ??? Thanks
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

I'm guessing that the PC's clutch is similiar to the ones they (and many, many other manufacturers) feature in cordless drill/drivers: it reacts to resistance upon it's intended rotation.

If you've used a drill/driver to turn screws into soft wood then you know how this works. You set the turnable numbered collar (located just above the drill's chuck) to a low number and the drill will stop turning (and start clicking instead) in order to prevent the screw from being screwed too far into the wood. The harder the wood (or other surface you're driving the screw into) the higher the number you dial up on the clutch collar.

With the PC 7424XP they've pre-set the clutch to a predetermined resistance setting so that it's impossible to overly exert pressure and have the pad still continue to turn. This is what makes the tool safe and probably impossible to burn paint with.
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

MisterShark said:
I'm guessing that the PC's clutch is similiar to the ones they (and many, many other manufacturers) feature in cordless drill/drivers: it reacts to resistance upon it's intended rotation.

If you've used a drill/driver to turn screws into soft wood then you know how this works. You set the turnable numbered collar (located just above the drill's chuck) to a low number and the drill will stop turning (and start clicking instead) in order to prevent the screw from being screwed too far into the wood. The harder the wood (or other surface you're driving the screw into) the higher the number you dial up on the clutch collar.

With the PC 7424XP they've pre-set the clutch to a predetermined resistance setting so that it's impossible to overly exert pressure and have the pad still continue to turn. This is what makes the tool safe and probably impossible to burn paint with.
Click to expand...
I may be in left field, but my understanding of a DA machine is that the rotation is caused by centirfugal force. If enough pressure is applied the pad stops rotating. That is why the Flex will not stop rotating when pressure is applied. It's called force rotation, the rotation is gear drivin.
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

Rsurfer said:
I may be in left field, but my understanding of a DA machine is that the rotation is caused by centrifugal force. If enough pressure is applied the pad stops rotating. That is why the Flex will not stop rotating when pressure is applied. It's called force rotation, the rotation is gear driven.
Click to expand...

That's my understanding too. Regardless of the specific name for the component, (I'm sure someone can track it down), the important factor that separates it from tools like the rotary buffer and the Flex 3401 as well as a few others is that the rotation of the pad can be stopped with enough pressure of if a buffing pad is held on edge or on a high point.

:)
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

this is a ? i was going to have to my friend an i are just starting out trying to open our own detail shop just dont know which products are worth the money
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

dave52 said:
this is a ? i was going to have to my friend an i are just starting out trying to open our own detail shop just dont know which products are worth the money
Click to expand...

Best thing to do would be to start your own thread on this topic instead of adding it on to page 8 of this thread. :D


It's easy to do, and here's a good forum to start it in,


Auto Detailing 101



By starting your own thread on this topic you'll get plenty of good advice from the forum community.

Maybe use a title like this,

Starting new detailing business! - Product recommendations?


:dblthumb2:
 
Re: Griots Random vs 7424xp

mike.. what are your impressions of the Flex 3401 and how do you like it?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top