Hands burning after Ultima Waterless Wash +

I wish the Title of the post would have been:

"Ultima Waterless Wash ruined my hands"


oh well, as a wise member said, "Anyways,good luck with your dilema and hope your issue is resolved".

ME
 
that's too bad it's giving u skin irritation problems. this is one product I will try when I run dry of my current. I'm sure I won't have any skin probs as I'm pretty impervious to a lot . something with this 1/2 Asian skin . acetone, Mek, uv topcoatings does nothing to me. I don't sunburn or even sweat really. some people have tough as nails skin and others crap break out from water. seems there is just some ingredient in there that u can't take. I'm sure u will find something else that works well for you . good luck
 
Sorry to hear about your hands becoming irritated. Some people have particularly sensitive hands, others have particularly sensitive hands to certain chemicals.

I'm glad to say that I don't have to wear gloves when using UWW, but this thread is a good reminder to take precautions when necessary with your health.

As products become more durable, clean more intensely and smaller in particle size, it never hurts to contemplate taking safety precautions.
 
I have extremely sensitive skin and the Ultima WW+ had no negative effect on me.

The only thing that wreaks absolute havoc on my hands, splitting my skin apart is Chemical Guys Citrus Wash.

regardless, you should be wearing some sort of gloves to protect your skin either way.
 
Sorry to hear you had such a bad reaction. And I appreciate that your intention was to warn us fellow detailers. Too bad most of us decided to make light of your issue, but that's just how we roll. AG and thick skin go hand in hand. But, I'm sure it's all done with love.
Does the label instruct you to wear gloves? If not, then I think it is reasonable to expect that you should have the ability to use the product several times per week without gloves. And if you are not satisfied, I am sure AG will find a way to make it right. I hope\expect Ultima will also do the right thing.
Thanks for the heads up.
 
Sorry to hear about your stated adverse reaction to this product, and the chemicals contained therein. :(

truckbutt said:
This is not an issue with AG. I didn't mention them in my post other then to say I'm calling them for a return.

Please keep us updated with that premise....I'd bet a lot of us are very interested in this aspect of AG's return policies.

I'm letting people know that there is the potential for an adverse reaction to this product if used without gloves.

Proper/recommended PPE is always listed on MSDS's....may be a PITA to follow them all of the time, but they are there.

Allergic reactions are typically manifested by redness, itching and swelling due to the release of a chemical called histamine. I did not have any of those symptoms. I did not have an allergic reaction. Burning is typically associated with a chemical irritant.

You reiterated that you had no redness, itching or swelling (your ruling out contact dermatitis). Then if that is the case:

The "burning" sensations could also be related to other than "chemical irrantants": Hyper-sensitiveness to ones nerves/nerve-endings being affected by carpal-tunnel-syndrome, an actual pinched-nerve in the shoulder or elbow, and neuropathy. Arthritis and diabetes are also known to cause burning sensations in some cases.

But...Aren't many functions of the human body "chemical" by nature?

I also couldn't help but notice that you've performed quite a few vehicle "detailing sessions" lately. May that have some bearing on the "burning" sensations?
Something to think about, IMO.

While everyone's sensitivity to a chemical irritant is different, that is something that is predictable and should be listed on the product container.

One would think so. Some manufacturers may claim "Only so much room on a label". MSDS's, again, are excellent resources for PPE. All manufacturers in the US are required to provide theirs upon request. Online resources could also be another place to find MSDS's.
If an MSDS is not provided/available, I will take that product under very careful evaluation. That's how I am.

Yes, the product works and yes I could wear gloves. I'm not sure however that I want something that I would use a few times a week to require the use of gloves. This is not just a soap. It has Polycharger, polymers, and surfactants to remove dirt.

To Wear or Not To Wear: I guess that depends on an individual's perception of: "Won't/Can't Happen to Me"!

I was under the impression that many "soaps" have surfactants. Polymers....last I heard---around 40,000 and counting---are in many products, might even be in some soaps. I could be wrong, though.
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I personally don't know why Ultima lists acetaldehyde as an ingredient in their UWW and not in their UWW+(concentrate).
Unless these products are not really the same? Speculation on my part...One needs to go to the source (manufacturer).

Use of tobacco products and alcoholic beverage intake may exasperate some effects that products containing acetaldehyde may have with individuals, also.

No...I'm not a Doctor...But I have played one on TV before. J/K

Seriously...My personal experiences with having "burning sensations" in my finger/hands/feet/toes was best left in the hands of qualified physicians. Their diagnosis/long-term treatment options did not contain many pleasantries.

IMHO....Seek some advice from your medical practioner....What you're experiencing is, at the least, worthy of that.

Some well-intended thoughts/opinions.

:)

Bob
 
Flash Gordon said:
Sounds like you allergic to one of the ingredients. Wear rubber gloves or send the stuff to me
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My thoughts exactly. This is one of the few products I am not afraid to get on my hands Im the MAN.

After your post though it makes me think maybe I should wear them?

This product is by far my most used, most appreciated, most wonderful in so many ways, and the most value for my dollar I could ever hope for. I LOVE this stuff. After a good jaunt in Skybaby it softens the bugs and makes them so easy to pull right off the front bumper and windshield... AND to feel safe doing it!

I LOVE UWWP!!!!

Sorry you have an allergy to it but I would use gloves if I were you because it's such a great product.
 
FUNX725 said:
I personally don't know why Ultima lists acetaldehyde as an ingredient in their UWW and not in their UWW+(concentrate).
Unless these products are not really the same?
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I noticed that as well. My guess is that it's used as a preservative in the RTU (ready-to-use) formula, while not needed in the (well, more concentrated) concentrate.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I noticed that as well. My guess is that it's used as a preservative in the RTU (ready-to-use) formula, while not needed in the (well, more concentrated) concentrate.
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Could very well be for that reason...and, even perhaps: perfumery/fragrance.?
Only the blenders know for sure...probably proprietary.

From EPA's website:
"Acetaldehyde is toxic when applied externally for prolonged periods, an irritant, and a probable carcinogen..."

May not be in the OP's UWW+container; though, IMO, wouldn't hurt looking into using 'proper PPE' at times...if one should wish to...:)

Bob
 
To those of you that took my post seriously and offered your concerns, I thank you.:xyxthumbs:
To those of you who used it as an opportunity to have fun, that is your right. Though having fun at someone else's expense can make you look small and immature. (Nothing personal Flash).:nomore:
I appreciate the link to the MSDS. There actually is no link however to the Waterless Wash Plus. So who knows what's in the plus? (Polycharger?) It was very interesting. The active compound (which I don't believe is listed on the product) is Polydimethylsiloxane a silicon based organic polymer. It is a defoaming agent. There is no "soap" in this product. It is also interesting that the MSDS for UWW doesn't recommend PPE. An MSDS for Polydimethylsiloxane from GE/Toshiba recommends skin protection when using this product.
So, am I dying? No. But R+D costs time and money. If people don't speak up about the shortcomings of products, their manufacurers may be less inclined to innovate and improve them. If after reading this post someone besides myself decided they might wear gloves while using it, I accomplished what I set out to do.
 
truckbutt said:
To those of you that took my post seriously and offered your concerns, I thank you.:xyxthumbs:
To those of you who used it as an opportunity to have fun, that is your right. Though having fun at someone else's expense can make you look small and immature. (Nothing personal Flash).:nomore:
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I want to thank you for starting this post as I had never looked up the MSDS or had any concern on this product. I use nitrile gloves A LOT but always felt safe with this product. Based on some of the ingredients you guys have pulled up I will start wearing gloves when I use it just to be on the safe side.
 
truckbutt said:
To those of you that took my post seriously and offered your concerns, I thank you.:xyxthumbs:
To those of you who used it as an opportunity to have fun, that is your right. Though having fun at someone else's expense can make you look small and immature. (Nothing personal Flash).:nomore:

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truckbutt said:
If after reading this post someone besides myself decided they might wear gloves while using it, I accomplished what I set out to do.
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Thanks man. That's exactly what I got out of the op.
 
truckbutt said:
I appreciate the link to the MSDS. There actually is no link however to the Waterless Wash Plus.
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There's one for the waterless wash concentrate too. Unless it's not the same with the Waterless Wash plus.
 
truckbutt said:
I appreciate the link to the MSDS. There actually is no link however to the Waterless Wash Plus. So who knows what's in the plus? (Polycharger?) It was very interesting. The active compound (which I don't believe is listed on the product) is Polydimethylsiloxane a silicon based organic polymer. It is a defoaming agent. There is no "soap" in this product. It is also interesting that the MSDS for UWW doesn't recommend PPE. An MSDS for Polydimethylsiloxane from GE/Toshiba recommends skin protection when using this product.
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I don't remember their being an Ultima product "Waterless Wash", only the Waterless Wash +, so my assumption would be that you are looking at the right MSDS. The MSDS's show part numbers of ULT-8000 for the RTU, and ULT-8000C for the concentrate, while my bottles say ULT-8022 for the 22oz bottle of the RTU, and ULT-8016C for the 16oz bottle of the concentrate, so that all makes sense.

Polydimethylsiloxane is used for a lot more than defoaming, Wikipedia states, in part that it "is a critical ingredient in water-repelling coatings, such as Rain-X". I would venture to say, in the absence of other MSDS-listed ingredients, that polydimethylsiloxane provides the lubrication and protective properties of the product. Polydimethylsiloxane is also used in skin creams and other cosmetics, so it would seem doubtful this is the ingredient causing your problems, and I would again point to the acetaldehyde in the RTU which I suspect is used a preservative and would be more likely to cause skin irritation. It's also possible that something has grown in your bottle which is responsible for the irritation.
 
truckbutt said:
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I appreciate the link to the MSDS. There actually is no link however to the Waterless Wash Plus.

As I mentioned earlier:

All US manufacturers must provide an MSDS for their products...Contact them for this information. Or, like I do...No MSDS, No usee

So who knows what's in the plus? (Polycharger?) It was very interesting. The active compound (which I don't believe is listed on the product) is Polydimethylsiloxane a silicon based organic polymer. It is a defoaming agent. There is no "soap" in this product. It is also interesting that the MSDS for UWW doesn't recommend PPE.

I believe there is recommended PPE listed. Please see MSDS for UWW below.

An MSDS for Polydimethylsiloxane from GE/Toshiba recommends skin protection when using this product.
So, am I dying? No. But R+D costs time and money. If people don't speak up about the shortcomings of products, their manufacurers may be less inclined to innovate and improve them. If after reading this post someone besides myself decided they might wear gloves while using it, I accomplished what I set out to do.
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Material Safety Data Sheet (Abbreviated form by: Me)
COMPANY INFORMATION AND PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
Premium Finish Care
6110 33rd Street East
Bradenton, FL 34203
P: 800 487 3340
F: 941 727 6166
Product Name: Ultima Waterless Wash
Part Number: ULT-8000
Revised Date: 10-2010

INGREDIENTS INFORMATION/COMPOSITION
Chemical Name CAS Number Percent
Water CAS# 7732-18-5 Balance
Polydimethylsiloxane CAS# 63148-62-91 5%
Acetaldehyde CAS# 75-07-0 <1%

PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
pH 6-7.5
Percent Volatiles <1%


PERSONAL PROTECTION
Health 1
Flammability 0
Reactivity 0

Respiratory Protection: If workplace exposure limits of the product or any component are exceeded, a NIOSH/MSHA respirator is advised in absence of proper environmental control. OSHA regulations also permit other NIOSH/MSHA respirator (negative pressure type) under specific conditions. (See your industrial hygienist) Engineering of administrative controls should be implemented to reduce exposure.
Ventilation: Provide sufficient mechanical (general and/or local exhaust) ventilation to maintain exposure below TLV(s).

*Protective Gloves: Wear resistant gloves. (Consult your safety equipment supplier).
Eye Protection: Compliance with OSHA regulations is advised.

*Other Protective Equipment: To prevent skin contact, wear impervious clothing.

____________________________________________________


Speaking about polydimethylsiloxanes:
There are untold numerous applications for it, but one of my all time favorites is:

Breast Implants. :D

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Note: In regards to do what you set out to do....

1.) Hoping, like you, that everyone pays heed to the chemicals they use and take the necessary safety measures that are called for. If so...Mission accomplished

Procuring information about products, though, is ultimately up to each individual, IMO.

{From the day we are born...we all start dying. Trying to prolong our demise is everyone's goal, I thought.}

2.) Also, I remember that you were going to ask AG for a refund on your UWW+ purchase from them....Has that Mission also been accomplished?

Curious minds need to know. :)

Bob
 
I think it is a good idea to get and read the MSDS for the products that you use. I have contacted all of the companies to get MSDS, and only had problems with two of them refusing to provide the MSDS sheets until I made a formal inquiry from a business email address or listed a business website.

PBMG and Poor Boys world were the only companies I had problems getting MSDS from, all others provided them no questions asked, and most provided a link to an online portal that included MSDS for all of their products.
 
My original intent was to pack this stuff up and return it. I was angry that for the first time in over 50 years a car care product gave me a skin reaction. The problem is that this stuff works too well to return it. I now use it daily with a pair of rubber gloves on my daily driver.
Regarding acetaldehyde, there is none in the UWW+ concentrate, only water, polydimethylsiloxane, and whatever the Plus is.
 
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