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justin_murphy

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Just saw this on Meguiar's Online. On heck of a problem checklist if you ask me! I'm sure this is old to some but since we are going back to the basics, I thought I'd post this up!

Here's a list of the most common problems
  1. Trying to work too large of an area at one time
  2. Move the polisher too fast over the surface
  3. Too low of speed setting for removing swirls
  4. Too little pressure on the head of the unit
  5. Too much pressure on the head of the unit so the pad quits rotating
  6. Not keeping the pad flat while working your product
  7. Too much product, too little product
  8. Not cleaning the pad often enough
Here's a list of the solutions in matching order,
  1. Shrink your work area down, the harder the paint the smaller the area you can work. The average area should be and average of about 16" by 16" up to 20" by 20" or so. You have to do some experimenting, (called a Test Spot), to find out how easy or how hard the defects are coming out of your car's paint system and then adjust your work area to the results of your Test Spot.
  2. For removing defects out of the paint you want to use what we call a Slow Arm Speed. It's really easy to move the polisher too quickly because the sound of the motor spinning fast has a psychological effect to for some reason want to make people move the polisher fast. Also the way most people think is that, "If I move the polisher quickly, I'll get done faster", but it doesn't work that way.
  3. When first starting out many people are scared of burning or swirling their paint, so they take the safe route of running the polisher at too low of a speed setting, again... this won't work. The action of the polisher is already g-e-n-t-l-e, you need the speed and specifically the pad rotating over the paint as well as the combination of time, (slow arm speed), together with the diminishing abrasives, the foam type, and the pressure to remove small particles of paint which is how your remove below surface defects like swirls or scratches. It's a leveling process that's somewhat difficult because the tool is safe/gentle while in most cases, modern clear coat paints are harder than traditional single stage paints and this makes them hard to work on. This is also why people get frustrated, they don't understand paint technology, all they know is their paint swirls easy and getting the swirls out is difficult and thus frustrating.
  4. For the same reason as stated in #3, people are scared, or perhaps a better word is apprehensive, to apply too much pressure and the result of too little pressure is no paint is removed thus no swirls are removed.
  5. Just the opposite of item #4, people think that by pushing harder on the polisher they can work faster and be more aggressive, but the truth is the clutch in the tool is a safety mechanism to prevent burning and will cause the pad to stop rotating, thus less cleaning or abrading action and once in a while this will lead a person to then post on the forum something like this, "Hey my pad doesn't rotate". There needs to be a balance of enough pressure to remove defects and keep the pad rotating but yet not too much pressure as to stop the rotating action. This balance is affected by a lot of things, things like type of chemical, some chemicals provide more lubrication and the pad will spin easier, curved surfaces or any raise in body lines will tend to stop the pad from rotating. This is where experience on how to address these areas comes into play or you do the best you can and move on. It's not a perfect tool, nor a perfect system, but it's almost always better than working/cleaning by hand.
  6. Applying pressure in such a way as to put too much pressure to one side of the pad will cause it to stop rotating and thus decrease cleaning ability.
  7. Too much product over lubricates the surface and this won't allow the diminishing abrasives to do their job plus it will increase the potential for messy splatter as well as cause pad saturation. Too little product will keep the pad from rotating due to no lubrication and there won't be enough diminishing abrasives to do any work. Again it's a balance that comes with experience, or another way of saying this would be it's a balance that comes with hours of buffing out a car to learn what to do and what not to do. Information like what you're reading here is just an edge to decrease your learning curve. Hope this is helping.
  8. Most people don't clean their pad often enough and most of the time the reason for this is because they don't know they're supposed to clean their pad often and they don't know how to clean their pad. Again, that's why this forum is here to help you with both of these things. You should clean your pad after every application of product or every other application of product, your choice, most of the time cleaning your pad after every other application of product works pretty well. It enables you to work clean and enables the foam pad, the polisher and the next application of fresh product too all work effectively. How to clean your pad will be addressed below sooner versus later, but not at the time of this posting. (Sorry, I'm behind a keyboard, not a video camera
The first 4 are the most common. Can't tell you how many times we hear a comment like this from someone in the garage after demonstrating the correct technique
 
Thanks for taking the time to do that for us. Really appreciate it Justin.
 
Good post Justin. Have you been hanging out at MOL more than usual lately? I thought I saw one of your posts recently where you said you went "back to basics" with a lot of Meg's products. Just curious.
 
I read somewhere that it is a good idea to put the buffing pad in a ziplock bag and write on the outside of the bag which polishing product etc. was used on that pad. If you use a pad cleaner does it get all of the polish etc. out of the pad?
 
I read somewhere that it is a good idea to put the buffing pad in a ziplock bag and write on the outside of the bag which polishing product etc. was used on that pad. If you use a pad cleaner does it get all of the polish etc. out of the pad?

You'll be fine as long as you keep your pads that you use for polishing and LSPs seperate. You wouldn't want to use a pad you used an abrasive polish on and then apply a wax with it.
 
I read somewhere that it is a good idea to put the buffing pad in a ziplock bag and write on the outside of the bag which polishing product etc. was used on that pad. If you use a pad cleaner does it get all of the polish etc. out of the pad?
If you clean it throughly it should not matter what you use on it at a latter date. I would not store a pad that has not been cleaned in a zip lock bag. If you are not a detailer and may not use this pad for several weeks or months, it may mildew on you.
 
I meant for it to be cleaned first before it was put in a zip lock bag, but if the cleaner gets all of the polish out of the pad there is no need to store it in a zip lock bag. Then you should be able to use any other product on that pad besides the one you started using with that pad. As the pad should be clean and no polish is on it? right? wrong? donkey kong?
 
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I meant for it to be cleaned first before it was put in a zip lock bag, but if the cleaner gets all of the polish out of the pad there is no need to store it in a zip lock bag. Then you should be able to use any other product on that pad besides the one you started using with that pad. As the pad should be clean and no polish is on it? right? wrong? donkey kong?

If you must use the same pad for a different product, well this is why I love EDGE pads :D But for asingle sided LC pad, brush and clean it real quick.
 
I meant for it to be cleaned first before it was put in a zip lock bag, but if the cleaner gets all of the polish out of the pad there is no need to store it in a zip lock bag. Then you should be able to use any other product on that pad besides the one you started using with that pad. As the pad should be clean and no polish is on it? right? wrong? donkey kong?

You are right, :iagree: there is no need to store a clean pad in a zip lock, I guess you read the zip lock thing in Megs forum but that is because they don't recomend to wash the pads as they have had issues with megs pads after machine washing them (detached velcro).
 
I take a wet MF towel and place it on my tail gate. It's folded into quarters. I then take my PC or Cyclo with the dirty pad on it. I place it down on the towel and turn the machine on. This cleans my pad and I'm off to the next panel!
 
I take a wet MF towel and place it on my tail gate. It's folded into quarters. I then take my PC or Cyclo with the dirty pad on it. I place it down on the towel and turn the machine on. This cleans my pad and I'm off to the next panel!
Thanks, Justin...That's my worse proplem - not cleaning pad often enough.
 
That's a great read, even if you've been detailing for a while. Nice post.
 
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