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All i had left was some hd proxy..............did a clay bar on the car and threw on the proxy............will this be ok for awhile untill i can get some other stuff...........

also while at it, not happy with my porter cable polisher...........would like to step up to a better one if possible............

Otherwise the car came out looking good.........but its only a couple months old........lol

Just want to clarify..........when using a red pad, i have the porter cable at 2...............any tips on how to maybe do this better............have the polisher marked with a black pen, doesnt seem to be working all that great.........maybe its just me, but the black line isnt moving all that great one way or the other..........its moving, but.......

Couple pics of the car

For some reason pics not comming up

Rich
 
Lets see if i can get some pics up..............as usual, can seem to bring up pics

Rich
 
Poxy may be the most misspelled detailing item other than Mequiars!
You don’t need the pad to be spinning when applying wax or sealants, you’re just looking for even coverage. I always found Poxy to be a short lived sealant but does look good on darker colors
 
Poxy is great over 3D Speed since they share the same sealant technology; however, as Vobro pointed out its life is weeks, not months

Depending on your location, washing habits, etc you might stretch it to a couple months but it will most likely be on its last legs

It goes on and wipes off easily and looks warm and old school glowing but you can probably do better, depending on what you are trying to achieve

As far as the PC goes, are you a hobbyist?

I polished a whole lot of paint with an original PC and later an XP model and they are capable of doing what needs to be done, especially on a new car that’s going to be maintained

Technique goes a whole long way with a PC, and you will quickly learn proper pad orientation, speed control, etc that you can carry over to a “better” machine

Better being a subjective term


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I moved from a PC to the gear driven Flex 3401 a decade+ ago. Now the Harbor Freight gear drive Hercules seems to be a great step up.
 
vobro said:
Poxy may be the most misspelled detailing item other than Mequiars!
You don’t need the pad to be spinning when applying wax or sealants, you’re just looking for even coverage. I always found Poxy to be a short lived sealant but does look good on darker colors
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LOL, yeah, thats how you spell it.........i screw it up everytime.............so if using the PC what setting are you guys using to apply wax/sealant..........tried #1, seems slow to me............but i dont do this for a living..............im really getting lazy in my old age, just looking for a decent wax, easy on and easy off, and i mean easy off...........lol.............thanks for the help guys.

Oh, one more thing..............when i try to upload a photo, keeps saying failed.............i hit the add files, my pic shows up when opened but it doesnt go anywhere............anyone have the time to straighten the old boy out.

Rich
 
Richs66 said:
LOL, yeah, thats how you spell it.........i screw it up everytime.............so if using the PC what setting are you guys using to apply wax/sealant..........tried #1, seems slow to me............but i dont do this for a living..............im really getting lazy in my old age, just looking for a decent wax, easy on and easy off, and i mean easy off...........lol.............thanks for the help guys.

Oh, one more thing..............when i try to upload a photo, keeps saying failed.............i hit the add files, my pic shows up when opened but it doesnt go anywhere............anyone have the time to straighten the old boy out.

Rich
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Look here

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FuBzB35bdjk&si=S06-JIVsYtKsy0rE

Are you trying to do photos on a computer?

If so, I don’t think it will work, at least I never figured it out

I have to use TapaTalk on my phone to upload pics


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It’s been a while since I’ve used a wax or sealant as I use coatings now, when I did I would use speeds 2-3 and just look for an even thin coverage. Remember as you go you can apply less sealant because the pad can get loaded and you’ll apply too much also towards the end of the pad use you can press the pad onto the panel instead of applying more, use what’s in the pad.
 
Was the car clayed?

Did it need polishing?

Poxy is pure wax without cleaners.

Even just claying with a fine clay helps increase gloss and wax performance. From there a food cleaner wax like 3D Speed or Duragloss 101 will clean up the paint, and remove some light marring. Then you could top with Poxy.

The Porter Cable 7424xp is actually my favorite tool. I have all sorts of tall stroke orbitals at work to use and a personal stash of Rupes tools, but the PC is my favorite. The lowers speeds are better for sanding. You're going to need to be above speed 4 to do meaningful polishing with it. There are two settings between 4 and 5, and that where I am when compounding and polishing. For spreading sealant I just like the pad to get enough rotation to easily glide over the paint. That's usually ,between 3 and 4.
 
What's wrong with a Porter Cable? It does what it is suppused to do. Waaaaay better than doing by hand which is what most did before the Porter Cable.
 
BLM said:
What's wrong with a Porter Cable? It does what it is suppused to do. Waaaaay better than doing by hand which is what most did before the Porter Cable.
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:whs:
 
Nothing wrong with a PC.
I decided I wanted to get things done faster. I was frustrated with pad stalling and went to a gear drive.
 
I don’t want anyone to take this personally because it’s not intended that way

There are all kinds of skill levels represented on this forum and I respect them all

I’m certainly no pro and don’t pretend to be

The point I was trying to make is that substituting horsepower for technique rarely ends well

Thinking a PC or any other “beginner” level of polisher is incapable of correcting paint just because you can’t get results, and thinking things will be better once you get a long stroke powerhouse machine is not the way to go about learning paint correction

If you can figure out the basics like keeping the pad flat where it needs to be flat, and working edges and concaves and convexes without stalling, and doing all that with something like a PC, and doing it repeatedly on different cars with different paints, when you do truly outgrow the capabilities of that “beginner” polisher, the transition to a bigger/faster/stronger machine will be a cakewalk

But simply saying that the PC isn’t capable and I need a better machine without first polishing a bunch of paint is a cop out

When I moved from my second PC, an XP model, up to a Rupes 15mm machine I just knew ahead of time it was going to be sooooo much better, faster, etc etc, and man was I let down

I’m sure the jump to a forced rotation machine is a game changer and I am not qualified to speak to that

All I’m saying is learn the basics and don’t assume that bigger/better/faster is going to make up for a lack of skill and practice

Apologies if I ruffled any feathers with this rant


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I came a cross a comment left by Mike Phillips on a Dr. Beasley's video.

He said I'll never spend another man's money for him, meaning he won't dictate what people should use.

I'll never look at making a suggestion the same way ever again.
 
chilly said:
I don’t want anyone to take this personally because it’s not intended that way

There are all kinds of skill levels represented on this forum and I respect them all

I’m certainly no pro and don’t pretend to be

The point I was trying to make is that substituting horsepower for technique rarely ends well

Thinking a PC or any other “beginner” level of polisher is incapable of correcting paint just because you can’t get results, and thinking things will be better once you get a long stroke powerhouse machine is not the way to go about learning paint correction

If you can figure out the basics like keeping the pad flat where it needs to be flat, and working edges and concaves and convexes without stalling, and doing all that with something like a PC, and doing it repeatedly on different cars with different paints, when you do truly outgrow the capabilities of that “beginner” polisher, the transition to a bigger/faster/stronger machine will be a cakewalk

But simply saying that the PC isn’t capable and I need a better machine without first polishing a bunch of paint is a cop out

When I moved from my second PC, an XP model, up to a Rupes 15mm machine I just knew ahead of time it was going to be sooooo much better, faster, etc etc, and man was I let down

I’m sure the jump to a forced rotation machine is a game changer and I am not qualified to speak to that

All I’m saying is learn the basics and don’t assume that bigger/better/faster is going to make up for a lack of skill and practice

Apologies if I ruffled any feathers with this rant


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Then someone could run into other issues they don't like, such as something like the Flex 3401 "walking", or the pad giving a limit to it's rotation. They could get it and hate it.

I really liked the 3401, but for me I wasn't getting the correction from it that I was the PC, and it was probably due to my comfort level with the PC.

Let's just not talk about the fact that I was looking at some on Ebay earlier today! Yeah, I'm thi king about getting one back in the fleet. I love the look of the XCE, but I want the original 3401 before it goes away.
 
chilly said:
I don’t want anyone to take this personally because it’s not intended that way

There are all kinds of skill levels represented on this forum and I respect them all

I’m certainly no pro and don’t pretend to be

The point I was trying to make is that substituting horsepower for technique rarely ends well

Thinking a PC or any other “beginner” level of polisher is incapable of correcting paint just because you can’t get results, and thinking things will be better once you get a long stroke powerhouse machine is not the way to go about learning paint correction

If you can figure out the basics like keeping the pad flat where it needs to be flat, and working edges and concaves and convexes without stalling, and doing all that with something like a PC, and doing it repeatedly on different cars with different paints, when you do truly outgrow the capabilities of that “beginner” polisher, the transition to a bigger/faster/stronger machine will be a cakewalk

But simply saying that the PC isn’t capable and I need a better machine without first polishing a bunch of paint is a cop out

When I moved from my second PC, an XP model, up to a Rupes 15mm machine I just knew ahead of time it was going to be sooooo much better, faster, etc etc, and man was I let down

I’m sure the jump to a forced rotation machine is a game changer and I am not qualified to speak to that

All I’m saying is learn the basics and don’t assume that bigger/better/faster is going to make up for a lack of skill and practice

Apologies if I ruffled any feathers with this rant


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The issue is time. As a hobbyist do you want to spend 3 hours detailing your car with a forced rotation machine or 9 hours with a PC? What can you get done or enjoy doing with the other 6 hours? As a pro, if you are charging the customer 9 hours to do a detail that could be done in 3 with the correct machine, well that doesn't seem fair to charge the customer extra because you are using the wrong machine for the job.
 
DUBL0WS6 said:
The issue is time. As a hobbyist do you want to spend 3 hours detailing your car with a forced rotation machine or 9 hours with a PC? What can you get done or enjoy doing with the other 6 hours? As a pro, if you are charging the customer 9 hours to do a detail that could be done in 3 with the correct machine, well that doesn't seem fair to charge the customer extra because you are using the wrong machine for the job.
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Your points are valid; to a point (bad pun, sorry)

If you are a pro then I feel you probably already have, or should have, put the hours in behind a machine, and you KNOW what you need and you GOT what you need and you are making the most of your time

Speaking for myself, as a hobbyist, I measure time spent polishing paint in how hungry I suddenly am because I lost track of the time while I was wearing my headphones and polishing paint to the Grateful Dead

dlc95 is right, to each his own and if you (not you personally) want to buy a 21mm powerhouse to try paint correction for the first time, more power to you

I wasn't trying to start a fight and as I said, every skill level and personal approach to detailing is represented here and let's all have some fun

Peace
 
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