I'd argue, if you're going to top an AIO, then there's no point is using an AIO to begin with. Just use a polish and seal with whatever you like.
HD Speed still a great product
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I'd argue, if you're going to top an AIO, then there's no point is using an AIO to begin with. Just use a polish and seal with whatever you like.
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Some wise men pointed out to me once, the advantages of using a great AIO like Speed, even if you want durability and plan to top it. Something like Speed you can polish all the car and then do one wipe off at the end, rather than wiping each subsection at a time.
This alone makes me reach out for an AIO for convenience and speed purposes for some corrections, despite topping it afterwards.
This alone makes me reach out for an AIO for convenience and speed purposes for some corrections, despite topping it afterwards.
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mk360?
Belo
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My sisters sentra is an absolute wreck. I intend to do some correcting on it and then actually top it with speed. The thought being that the correction work would still need a polish and I'm just not sure I have the energy to do a 3 step. This way I get some correction, polish and protection.
Not sure if anyone ever does this or how it'll work out, but I'm going to try. I guess one alternative could be to do correction, polish and then a spray on sealant but idk...
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Agreed, 360 would be right up there with Speed. I think Speed may correct a bit better and leave a glossier finish, but 360 is no slouch and can give much better durability as it leaves a sealant behind. I wouldn’t mind reaching for either one of these and think they may be the best I’ve tried. Might want to have a look at Blackfire One Step as well..
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I used to think like this and buff out cars like this, but if I'm not going to use a ceramic coating, (thus I don't have to chemically strip the paint), If BLACKFIRE One Step will clean up the paint to my satisfaction, even if using it with a foam cutting pad, I'll use it like a compound for three reasons.
1: It wipes off easier than any compound I've used. Also - it wipes off best when fully dried, unlike a compound. So with a compound I wipe off immediately after buffing. With the BOS I can buff out an entire car and leave the product on and don't remove until I'm completely done with the car. Also by leaving the BOS on I can quickly and easily see where I've buffed and where I still need to buff.
2: I can top it wit something that will provide longer durability or not.
3: If I run out of time - no problem - the paint is sealed.
I'd call it the lazy man's style. Not for everyone but an option for some.
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360 will give you much better durability than Speed, but not the same gloss or slickness
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i've done 2 rides and was impressed with the ease of 360 and how long the protection has lasted. I got some hd free with my bottle of One last fall and am interested to see how it compares, but your post confuses me. Doesn't speed have a sealant too?
I used to think like this and buff out cars like this, but if I'm not going to use a ceramic coating, (thus I don't have to chemically strip the paint), If BLACKFIRE One Step will clean up the paint to my satisfaction, even if using it with a foam cutting pad, I'll use it like a compound for three reasons.
1: It wipes off easier than any compound I've used. Also - it wipes off best when fully dried, unlike a compound. So with a compound I wipe off immediately after buffing. With the BOS I can buff out an entire car and leave the product on and don't remove until I'm completely done with the car. Also by leaving the BOS on I can quickly and easily see where I've buffed and where I still need to buff.
2: I can top it wit something that will provide longer durability or not.
3: If I run out of time - no problem - the paint is sealed.
I'd call it the lazy man's style. Not for everyone but an option for some.
My point was that when using an AIO, and then topping it, you're better off using a dedicated polish and a dedicated sealant, both of which are better than any AIO I know of.
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yes it does
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Does it? My mistake I’ll take a look at the product page, I thought it only contained Montan wax so was only thinking wax and not sealant.. learn something new everyday or is it constantly reminded of all the things you once knew? Haha
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I disagree. And here is why:
A product like HD Speed IS a polish. It corrects, and wipes off effortlessly. And the gloss and slickness it leaves is incredible. The fact that is has a bit of protection in it as an "All In One" shouldn't deter anyone. This aspect of the product is geared toward those who just want to save time and do it all with one step. (But I do agree on the fact that the protection of Speed alone is insufficient.)
And, you are still doing the same job as using a "pure" polish. That is, machine applying either one, then topping it.
It does polish, but it's not an ideal polish. For example using a polish like M205 or whatever and then following by a sealant like DG 105 would yield superior results with the same amount of effort as using an AIO and then topping it.
The gloss is from the silicone in it, as is most of the protection I'd imagine, because when the silicone evaporates, the protection and gloss go with it.
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Again, I will respectfully disagree. I have used Griot's correcting cream (a pretty darn good product and a better "true polish" than 205 in my studies) for initial correction on my wife's Jeep. Then applied WGDG over it. It looked incredible, and lasted for months.
However, my Ram corrected with Speed and topped with Collinite 476s lasted for almost a year, and was still protecting.
I get your side of the argument, though.
Cheers.
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You’re both just discussing different use cases, neither option is ‘better’ because there’s no context to test it against.
The main problem with an AIO is you have less of an opportunity to modify the correction/polishing component of the process due to laying down a sealant. You get what you’re given and in Mikes use case, leaving the haze to cure makes sense from a sealant curing perspective however you can’t inspect your results until the car is signed and sealed.
Sure you can pre test or spot compound sections however in the case of using something like 3D One, sometimes the results aren’t satisfactory. Having a sealant laid down or not being able to inspect the work would mean you either get what you’re given or start over again with a sealant in the way of your polish and the substrate.
“That’ll do” isn’t in the vocabulary of a successful professional detailer.
The main problem with an AIO is you have less of an opportunity to modify the correction/polishing component of the process due to laying down a sealant. You get what you’re given and in Mikes use case, leaving the haze to cure makes sense from a sealant curing perspective however you can’t inspect your results until the car is signed and sealed.
Sure you can pre test or spot compound sections however in the case of using something like 3D One, sometimes the results aren’t satisfactory. Having a sealant laid down or not being able to inspect the work would mean you either get what you’re given or start over again with a sealant in the way of your polish and the substrate.
“That’ll do” isn’t in the vocabulary of a successful professional detailer.
PaulMys
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Very true, however this forum also includes people who are not professional detailers.
When posting, you have to consider both sides.
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You originally disagreed with someone who has suggested a dedicated polish and sealant produce better results by stating an entirely different use case.
In your use case, an AIO is perfectly suitable however it doesn’t warrant disagreeing that a dedicated polish and sealant will perform better than an AIO. It will every day of the week unless you have a perfectly suitable vehicle to work on or you’re happy with the “that’ll do” approach.
I simply elaborated on the issues with AIOs when compared with a dedicated polish and sealant. ‘Both sides’ is irrelevant. If you’re happy with whatever the product gives you, power to you.
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Gotcha, and you "win".
I surrender.
I'm just trying to be a voice to help others through the maze of these products, and the techniques I have garnered to be helpful. If it is inconsistent at times, it is because I am still learning to this day.
But, by all means keep nit-picking to prove your point.
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There’s no winning.
I find it amusing when people disagree with others when they could just as easy agree and also share their alternate use case. You were both right.