"Hellaflush" and now "Hellaglossy" - 2013 Scion FRS Corrected and Coated with CQuartz UK

I knew this thread would turn into more of a discussion about "stance". I agree that the car looks ridiculous but like zach says to each his own one day he'll realize that he took one the best handling cars on the road and made it one of the worst. Stance is a generation or two below me.
 
I just wrote this in another thread, so I will copy it here....

Personally, if I am doing a 1 step correction with a product that is not particularly oily and does not leave much dust, I will just jump right to eraser.

If I am compounding and creating a lot of dust or using a polish like SF4500 that is super oily, I will presoak with diluted IPA, foam with a heavy mixture of citrus wash (or IXSS which I just purchased) with possibly a little APC added to the reservoir, rinse very thoroughly, blow dry, and then do an eraser wipe down. The foaming/drying portion only takes an extra 30 minutes or so, so it would be silly to blow it off if you've used a substantially oily product or need to remove a lot of compounding dust. The eraser or IPA wipe down is much easier after this process as you've already removed all or at least the majority of the oils remaining.



I would not advise the use of dawn... it has been shown to leave many surfactants on the surface.

Dawn is for dishes... not cars. A product like Iron X Snow Soap would be a better choice.

I had actually asked Mike what he thought because of the potential of marring my black paint and he said a very light dawn wash would be acceptable. So I did that and then carefully 12.5 IPA and seemed to work just fine.

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Great job on the car!

Rear alignment looks hideous.
Thanks :)

Great job, Zach! You sure got some great correction with 4500, especially since most only consider it a "jeweling" polish. Just goes to show, right?

I gotta say, that's some crazy negative camber on the rear... I imagine the tire wear isn't all that great. You would think the negative camber on the steer wheels is one thing for corners, but on the rear seems like it just would add more unnecessary wear. What were your thoughts?
The camber is strictly just to fit the wheels onto this car... no functionality to it at all. It is just a style that is somewhat popular now - the look is called "hellaflush" hence the name of this thread :)

Beautiful. Very very well done.
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Being stanced is just a type of lifestyle for these ppl.

Form>Function is where it's at.

As far as streets go, you just learn to adapt to them. It's really not that hard. Low and slow is how we go :dblthumb2:
+1

Looks incredible!

I'd imagine the paint was frustrating because of the fact that the car is actually manufactured by Subaru. I assume that means they paint it as well, and most of us know what's up with Subaru paint.
Unfortunately this was worse than any subaru or toyota that I have previously worked on... maybe they got together and found a way to make their 2 finicky paints even more finicky!

I knew this thread would turn into more of a discussion about "stance". I agree that the car looks ridiculous but like zach says to each his own one day he'll realize that he took one the best handling cars on the road and made it one of the worst. Stance is a generation or two below me.
As did I... oh well.
 
That red looks insane! Can you give some feedback on cquartz uk and how you like it compared to 22ple and Cquartz finest if possible? Thanks!
 
That red looks insane! Can you give some feedback on cquartz uk and how you like it compared to 22ple and Cquartz finest if possible? Thanks!

Thanks :xyxthumbs:

UK is similar to 22ple in terms of overall appearance. Application is easy with either product. 22ple does not provide any specifics regarding coating thickness, but they claim 18-24 months of durability. The newest version of UK should last at least 2 years from what I have been told.

Finest is on another level which is why it is a professional product and demands a very premium price. Application is different, coating thickness is greatly increased, it includes a 2 year warranty to back up its durability claims, and the gloss is unparalleled. (among other things)

With that being said, UK is definitely an incredible product on its own... can't beat the price and performance. Highly recommended.
 
If your experience does 22ple add thickness?
Also from what ive read 22ple is easier to apply and does not flask like uk, true?
 
"Hellaflush" and now "Hellaglossy" - 2013 Scion FRS Corrected and Coated with...

If your experience does 22ple add thickness?
Also from what ive read 22ple is easier to apply and does not flask like uk, true?


It is a coating so it must add some thickness.

Both are quite similar in terms of application. 22ple is slightly easier to buff/wipe off after application.

What do you mean "does not flask"?
 
Nice write-up Zach. Great pictures and in my opinion, one very cool car in the "new car" offerings available today.



After a lot of testing (M205 on white left light marring & even M205 on black left very light marring),



A very good chemist I know told me the hardest thing to do is to create products that work well on a wide spectrum of paint systems. Including old, current, new and future paint systems as paint is always evolving.


That's why it's important to have more than one or two polishes in your arsenal of products so you can test and dial in a process that works GREAT in one small area before buffing out the entire car.


Nice work.


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Awesome work on what, at first glance, appeared to already be an extremely clean car.

With paint this soft, how is the owner going to maintain the finish and make sure the swirls don't come back? Is he going to bring it to you for maintainence or did you counsel him on proper techniques to keep the car looking that good?


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The eraser or IPA wipe down is much easier after this process as you've already removed all or at least the majority of the oils remaining.


Every way of chemically stripping delicate, perfectly polished scratch-sensitive clear coat paints has it's risks. What I've posted is what I've seen happens when you wipe perfectly polished BLACK paint using some type of product like IPA in any dilution, or MS or Erasure or fill-in-the blank.

It's because the chemistry that makes these types of solvents useful for dissolving and stripping oils is the same chemistry that doesn't make them great lubricants to protect the paint at the same time.

I've shown this with pictures using black paint and the point I always make that because most cars have a clear coat, you're NOT working on a colored layer of paint but the top, clear layer of paint.

The lighter the color the harder it is to see defects. Black paint shows everything. So if wiping perfectly polished black paint induces marring I'd say chances are VERY GOOD marring happens to all colors it's just you're eyes can't see it.

Point being...

Every way of chemically stripping delicate, perfectly polished scratch-sensitive clear coat paints has it's risks.


From this thread....

Hologram Free with a Rotary Buffer


Now you can see some light marring, but that's because IPA isn't a very good lubricant, in fact it's a horrible lubricant. I think of all the people that have been told by others to wipe their car down with IPA before going to the next step and it's pretty easy to understand that when they did this they likely marred their car's paint and this is called working backwards.

It's also likely that if the people taking this advice were working on light to medium colored cars they never saw the marring.

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I would not advise the use of dawn... it has been shown to leave many surfactants on the surface.


That's my point...

Every way of chemically stripping delicate, perfectly polished scratch-sensitive clear coat paints has it's risks.


Dawn is for dishes... not cars. A product like Iron X Snow Soap would be a better choice.

I agree with that... in the future, when someone asks how to chemically strip their paint without marring it instead of wiping it with some type of solvent I'll share the link to two of my favorite products.


Tornador Air Foamer & IronX Snow Foam


Love these two products...

We also use them in all my detailing boot camp classes.

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Stacy's Honda had a lot of road grime on it and hasn't been washed in at least a month and I wanted to decontaminate the paint, so I used IronX Snow Foam in a Tornador Air Foamer, then washed with a Boar's Hair Brush plus various wheel and tires brushes to get the wheels, tires and fenderwells clean.

Tornador_Air_Foamer_IronX_Snow_Foam_02.jpg






I had actually asked Mike what he thought because of the potential of marring my black paint and he said a very light dawn wash would be acceptable.

So I did that and then carefully 12.5 IPA and seemed to work just fine.


And the trick to using a detergent wash like Dawn to chemically strip your car's paint of any polishing oils or other residues is to above all, be smart about it.

Don't over use the detergent soap and above all.... make damn sure your wash mitt is clean and soft and then don't scrub the paint, just make a few soft, gentle passes over the paint and then rinse well.

Following with the IPA wipe would insure there were no trace chemicals left after the wash but now you're back to risking instilling marring.


One thing for sure, we have come to the point where we take something very simple, washing and waxing your car, and we've turned it into rocket science.


Rocket Science!

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Re: "Hellaflush" and now "Hellaglossy" - 2013 Scion FRS Corrected and Coated with...

It is a coating so it must add some thickness.

Both are quite similar in terms of application. 22ple is slightly easier to buff/wipe off after application.

What do you mean "does not flask"?

Maybe he meant flash??
 
Nice write-up Zach. Great pictures and in my opinion, one very cool car in the "new car" offerings available today.
Thanks, Mike!


A very good chemist I know told me the hardest thing to do is to create products that work well on a wide spectrum of paint systems. Including old, current, new and future paint systems as paint is always evolving.


That's why it's important to have more than one or two polishes in your arsenal of products so you can test and dial in a process that works GREAT in one small area before buffing out the entire car.


Nice work.


:dblthumb2:
I couldn't agree more... I often tell myself I have too many compounds and polishes on my shelf, until I get into a situation like this where it truly pays to have many different and unique products available to produce a truly different (and better) result. Thanks again!


Awesome work on what, at first glance, appeared to already be an extremely clean car.
Thanks Eric!

With paint this soft, how is the owner going to maintain the finish and make sure the swirls don't come back? Is he going to bring it to you for maintainence or did you counsel him on proper techniques to keep the car looking that good?
I have advised him on proper 3 bucket wash procedures and even suggested to simply blow it dry rather than attempt to touch the paint with a towel lol

Unfortunately I cannot offer maintenance type services since I do this on a part time basis and become booked with correction & coating jobs very quickly, so all I can do is show them the proper technique and offer to provide them with discounted supplies to help maintain their vehicles.


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It's because the chemistry that makes these types of solvents useful for dissolving and stripping oils is the same chemistry that doesn't make them great lubricants to protect the paint at the same time.
^Yup - catch 22. I have found that Eraser to be much more user friendly than simple diluted IPA so it is completely worth the price to me.


One thing for sure, we have come to the point where we take something very simple, washing and waxing your car, and we've turned it into rocket science.
:)
No doubt about it!

Maybe he meant flash??
Ahh, that would make more sense... I must've been too tired to put that together on my own :)
 
Yes flash i mean, ty.

Whatis the 3 bucket method? I thought it stopped at 2??
 
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