Help! Correcting Holograms/ Dry Buff

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Today I was working on my dads dark blue 06 325i, washed, clayed, and began swirl correction starting with swirl x on a white, then tangerine pad using a flex 3401. I eventually worked my way up to M105 and an orange pad, and even that wasn't removing the all of the swirls. I'm pretty sure I dry buffed the paint, and created holograms. :bash:
Can I get some tips on how to correct the dry buff and clear the swirls? Would I use an aggressive pad with a less aggressive compound like 205?

I thought the paint would be soft, but it seems like it either has a really hard clear coat or the fk1000p on the paint about a month ago is still protecting it. Wouldn't 105 remove that while making passes?
 
Holy God you really did a number on that. I would guess that M205 would clean the mess up. You're not doing this out in the sun are you?
 
Dubbin1 said:
Holy God you really did a number on that. I would guess that M205 would clean the mess up. You're not doing this out in the sun are you?
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That's what I was thinking. If he was dry buffing with the pads.
 
Dubbin1 said:
Holy God you really did a number on that. I would guess that M205 would clean the mess up. You're not doing this out in the sun are you?
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:cry:I know! still learning, no I did this inside the garage. If I didnt strip the wax using a dawn wash or ipa, could it be breaking down the compound a lot faster? M205 on an orange pad?
 
FinraExam said:
:cry:I know! still learning, no I did this inside the garage. If I didnt strip the wax using a dawn wash or ipa, could it be breaking down the compound a lot faster? M205 on an orange pad?
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If you clayed the car properly, the clay would have removed the majority of the wax.
 
You could try an orange or white pad with the 205, just don't run it dry again ;)

The wax is no match for the polish, its gone as soon as you start the DA.
 
I was able to fix the back using a white pad and 205, the front still has some small trail marks after using a white pad with 205, and black pad with swirl x. I think I'll use a dawn wash on the front to make sure all the wax is removed and try a white pad with 205 again.

If a white pad with 205 is still causing marring or not removing the remaining swirls on the paint. What can remove the swirls without marring the paint?
 
I'm telling you if you went over the paint with a polish the wax is long gone ;)

A white pad and 205 should never cause marring.
 
When polishing, you want to stop the machine when the polish goes clear. That means that you can still see that there is polish residue on the paint, but you can easily see your reflection in it. Once you go past this point, you are going to be dry buffing are marring your paint. How much polish are you using and what speed are you using?
 
I was using an orange pad at speed 5 with about 4-5 dime sized drops on the pad after priming the pad using the Kevin Brown method. I'll take some more pictures of the hood after going over it with 205 on speed 3 and a white pad. So far after going over it with the white pad I can still see some trails, but it's better than before.
 
I got to thinking about this thread and while it sucks things didn't turn out the way you wanted it still shows that things can and will go wrong while using a DA.

I'm sure when its all over you will have that thing looking great.
 
Try 3M ultrafine se polish or ultrafina as they call it, with 3m's blue pad. Work it with a DA at about 4.5, when the product starts to turn clear its time to stop.
Hope this helps!:xyxthumbs:
 
I've tried m205 with a tangerine and white pad on speed 3 on the front and made multiple passes but the trail marks are still there. I'm not sure whether it's ok or not to continue using the white pad with 205 since i'm not sure how much clear coat is being removed. Wouldn't very little be removed if the trail marks are still visible from the 105?
 
Yeah it doesn't sound like you're removing anything. Try bumping your speed up to 5 with the orange pad and the 205. If that doesn't work then try 105 and the orange pad.
 
I removed what I could and called in a mobile detailer who's been in the business for over 10 years. He pointed out that the car had been repainted judging from some small divots in the clear coat where contaminants fell and were removed by wetsanding. He also pointed out a paint chip about half the size of a penny is an indication of a harder paint, where as bmw and mercedes are known for their soft paints so they don't chip as easily. I'll try to post pics next weekend.

Before the guy arrived though I did a test spot with 105 and an orange pad on speed 4 twice making multiple passes then using an orange, tang, and white and black pad with 205 on the same speed yet there were still swirls left in the paint. Another section on the hood I hadn't touched yet was hit with 205 and a white pad on speed 4 and looked as if the 205 and white pad left trail marks, even though I didn't dry buff. My guess is that if the detailer was right, perhaps there was a poor polishing job done before and clear coat sprayed over it, or those swirls are really deep.

Another odd thing when I pointed out some key marks to be removed was that he was able to remove the keymarks, but the swirls remained. Unless the swirls on the car are all really deep in the clear wouldn't swirls be removed before key marks?
 
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