Help decide a compound (with DA) for german paints

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Hi, I need a bit of help deciding on a compound that finishes really really well for german hard clear coats (benz/bmw/audi) and I have a GG6 DA at hand (with LC orange/ Meg new thin foam discs and MF discs / BnS pads and MF pads). The options that I've narrowed down in terms of giving a great user experience in most cases and finishing down really well is:

1. Menz FG400
2. Wolfgang Uber compound
3. Blackfire SRC

I have read many people mention here that Menzerna is behind the WG/BF variants and them being very similar to FG400. The WG/BF variants however provide a longer working time/user friendliness but come at an extra cost (almost twice for the 16/32oz variants).

My typical goto has been Menz PF2500 for most of the other cars I do for one step. Recently got some Sonax-ex-4/6 but have used it. Looking for something similar (with more cut/great finish) for a harder german paints (with a GG6 DA). While FG400 narrows down well taking into account the cost but I'd be willing to go for the other two options only if they provide greater benefit of the working experience/finish.

Looking for inputs from people that actually have used a similar combo on germans per my above specs.
 
I use the FG400 on VW/Audi paint. Finishes out well. Plenty of working time for me. Wolfgang Uber is supposed to be very similar to FG400. I have no BF compound experience.
 
I use Menzerna FG400 and SF4500 (I prefer that over SF4000). I recently worked on a Black 2014 Mercedes 350 Coupe. IMO, this would be a great combo.

I have not used Wolfgang's compound/polishing products, however, I have used a couple other of their products and they are top notch. I would assume they would be just as good as Menzerna's.

I have used the Blackfire combo and they are good products. Menzerna IMO is better from 1st hand experience.
 
Personally I say when using a traditional DA such as the one you have is to use the Wolfgang lineup of polishes. These are formulated to work with a wide variety of tools whereas on the other hand Menzerna is formulated more for straight drive machines.

For me, my personal preference is for Menzerna on the Flex PE14 and 3401. With your machine at hand I surely would grab the Wolfgang lineup.

Menzerna no longer manufactures the BlackFire compound/polishes. This has been confirmed with Nick.

Also, I have had better success with the closed cell pads such as the Hydro techs and Hybrids with Menzerna based DAT polishes. For the GG6 go with the thinner Hydro tech pads. And for the 3401 and rotaries, go with the thicker Hybrid pads.

Alas here is an article I put together maximizing the potential of the 3401, Hybrids, and Menzerna. You can use this as a baseline with the GG6, Hydrotech pads, and Wolfgang polishes.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...rning-3401-menzerna-products-hybrid-pads.html
 
Mike@DedicatedPerfection said:
Menzerna no longer manufactures the BlackFire compound/polishes. This has been confirmed with Nick.
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Any idea when this transition took place?

Back on topic...

Last year, I was in the same position and the same thought process as the OP. AG ran a great sale on Blackfire products at the time, so I went with the SRC "duo".

I have a pearl black VW. After a test spot, I found the SRC Polish didn't quite take out the deeper swirls installed by the VW dealer, so I stepped down to the SRC Compound and it really did the trick.

The SRC Compound finishes out really nice. Honestly, I could have skipped the polish and gone right to the LSP if I'd been pressed for time. I wasn't, so I carried out a second step with the SRC Polish and the results were amazing.

I found both Blackfire SRC products really easy to work with and the results were fantastic.
 
I have used and succeeded on removing light marks and scratches using the PF2500 on LC green or white foam pad, followed by SF4500 on LC grey foam pad, then Power Lock after with a wax on top on a few BMW's I've corrected

This year, I have started using FG400 on LC foam pad on plastic panels and orange foam pad on metal panels and the results are so much better than anything I have used so far

Depending on my technique and patience, I can use FG400 and finish with LSP ready, but 100% of the time I use SF4500 to finish before LSP for that added gloss
 
Desertnate said:
Any idea when this transition took place?
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The information can be found here in Mike Phillips review thread on Wolfgang Über. Roughly two years ago.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/new-car-care-products/70068-review-wolfgang-uber-compound.html

Back on topic...

Last year, I was in the same position and the same thought process as the OP. AG ran a great sale on Blackfire products at the time, so I went with the SRC "duo".

I have a pearl black VW. After a test spot, I found the SRC Polish didn't quite take out the deeper swirls installed by the VW dealer, so I stepped down to the SRC Compound and it really did the trick.

The SRC Compound finishes out really nice. Honestly, I could have skipped the polish and gone right to the LSP if I'd been pressed for time. I wasn't, so I carried out a second step with the SRC Polish and the results were amazing.

I found both Blackfire SRC products really easy to work with and the results were fantastic.
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BlackFire is an incredible lineup of products. Especially when BlackFire BlackICE sits on top of black paint... Yum
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...kfire-blackice-wax-you-have-been-waiting.html
 
originalgoods13 said:
I have used and succeeded on removing light marks and scratches using the PF2500 on LC green or white foam pad, followed by SF4500 on LC grey foam pad, then Power Lock after with a wax on top on a few BMW's I've corrected

This year, I have started using FG400 on LC foam pad on plastic panels and orange foam pad on metal panels and the results are so much better than anything I have used so far

Depending on my technique and patience, I can use FG400 and finish with LSP ready, but 100% of the time I use SF4500 to finish before LSP for that added gloss
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:iagree:FG400 and 100% SF4500 IMO an awesome "jeweling" polish!!
 
Optimum Hyper twins.

super long working time, no dust and extremely powerful depending on pad.

the compound can be very powerful and finishes really well on its own.

OPT makes/supplies factory abrasives for a certain OE you've mentioned.
 
I worked on a BMW 328I yesterday.
This is what worked great for me, I mean outstanding results.

Flex 3401. Speed 5
Meguiar's 105 along with a Lake Country orange flat pad.
Meguiar's 205 along with a Lake Country white flat pad.
Duragloss 601
Duragloss 105

The paint looked wet, deep gloss, defect free, well, about 95% anyway.
Car was black in color.

Good luck with yours!
 
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