Help Identifiying problem: Tree sap?

gary26

My friend had some stubborn tree sap once. Dealer told him to use ice cubes to cystalize the sap then he removed with a paint safe scrapper. Goood luck!
Gary26
 
gary26 said:
My friend had some stubborn tree sap once. Dealer told him to use ice cubes to cystalize the sap then he removed with a paint safe scrapper. Goood luck!
Gary26
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Actually Ice works on Pine sap globs...you freeze them and then pop them with a plastic razor or a old credit card...then wipe off residue with a wax adhesive remover or prep sol...

and by globs I mean something thats pea size or bigger..

any thing smaller can be soaked and removed with a paint safe solvent...

Al
 
Is it the same as this

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Yes, it looks alot like that.. what did you do to get it off?

Mike
 
OK, this is going way too far, but I pulled off a couple of leaves from the tree, and first thing I noticed is the top of the leave is speckled with the same thing on my paint, so the leaves above it are definatly dropping it, this eliminates the possibility of paint overspray, etc... Next thing I noticed is that the bottom of the leaves were almost covered with little white/clear and all black bugs... So maybe it could be their "droppings"..... Which would mean it is probably eating my clearcoat... Any other comments/help?

Also, I found this after googling Aphid's....
"A distinctive feature of aphids, as well as some scales and other bugs, is the production of honeydew. Honeydew is the clear, sticky dropping that lands on the leaves or anything below the plant or tree that aphids are feeding upon. A sticky glaze of honeydew may collect on lower leaves, outdoor furniture, cars, and other objects below aphid feeding sites"
 
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mkuzmukerau said:
OK, this is going way too far, but I pulled off a couple of leaves from the tree, and first thing I noticed is the top of the leave is speckled with the same thing on my paint, so the leaves above it are definatly dropping it, this eliminates the possibility of paint overspray, etc... Next thing I noticed is that the bottom of the leaves were almost covered with little white/clear and all black bugs... So maybe it could be their "droppings"..... Which would mean it is probably eating my clearcoat... Any other comments/help?

Also, I found this after googling Aphid's....
"A distinctive feature of aphids, as well as some scales and other bugs, is the production of honeydew. Honeydew is the clear, sticky dropping that lands on the leaves or anything below the plant or tree that aphids are feeding upon. A sticky glaze of honeydew may collect on lower leaves, outdoor furniture, cars, and other objects below aphid feeding sites"
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No Way!:eek: thats very interesting!!!!that sound like it could be it dont you think?
 
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OK...If the bugs are Aphids..the excrement is called honeydew...and that is usaually cleaned with soap and water..but we know yours is not cleaning with soap and water....as you have tried a few things....strange....I am sorta stumped...did you try mineral spirits yet...take a cloth and sorta wet it and lay it on for 2-3 minutes ...see if it breaks it down...

Thats some tuff stuff you have there...

Al
 
Maybe vinegar or a di limolene citrus cleaner (natural acid would work)
Maybe FK1's decon system
 
OK, update on the attempts.... Tarminator didnt touch it, citrus degreaser didnt touch it, and now an Orange Light cut pad and Turtle wax ( I didnt have any fine cut's, so i had to go OTC) liquid rubbing compound (mod to heavy oxidation so they say), did really touch it either... This stuff has seriously damaged my paint.... What other options are there?
 
Al-53 said:
OK...If the bugs are Aphids..the excrement is called honeydew...and that is usaually cleaned with soap and water..but we know yours is not cleaning with soap and water....as you have tried a few things....strange....I am sorta stumped...did you try mineral spirits yet...take a cloth and sorta wet it and lay it on for 2-3 minutes ...see if it breaks it down...

Thats some tuff stuff you have there...

Al
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:iagree: with Al. Try the mineral spirits. What have you got to lose now.
 
I do not know if the mineral spirits will work now....TW rubbing compound is loaded with solvents.....may try Prep sol....or keep working with the AIO..better get a gallon of it....it did cut it to a point....

Strange stuff you have there....I am lost on Ideas now....

Tarminator has kerosene and xylene in it..pretty strong stuff...and that did not work....

heres some info on prep sol to help you

http://www.performancecoatings.dupont.com/dpc/en/us/html/prodinfo/chromasystem/H-19295_3919S.pdf

its a strong cleaner..but do not know if it will work....have to try to see....

AL
 
I'll look into the Prep Sol, thanks for all the help guys... I called around to the local detail shops, since I am new to the area, wondering if they delt with this often, all of them said they would try different types of clay. One of them delt with a vehicle like this last summer, and wet sanded it. I have read that the OTC Meguiars clay (not the proffesional, the kind that comes in the box with the cleaner wax), is really mild stuff in comparison to other brands. I just did the plastic bag test, and it really feels like they are on top of the paint. Should I try an aggressive clay? Anyone find this stuff locally? I keep ordering stuff from AG, and having to wait the 5 days for it.... I'd really like to get this stuff off my paint sooner rather than later...
 
Try a body shop supply....they have the heavy clay and also prep sol if you want to try that....some times eve Napa has it....

AL
 
OK, the local CarQuest had Clay Magic clay bars... Blue (fine) and Red (medium). Picked up the bar of red and a bottle of Meg's Detailer.... finally something that works.... !!!! So, lessons learned..

1) Insects on leaves (certain types) can crap on your car, and leave thousands of tiny brownish dots. They might wash off if you catch them that day, otherwise they will bake on and washing/polishing/bug and tar removers wont do anything.

2) OTC Clay bars like Meguiars and Mothers (except their proffesional line) are extremly weak. Great if you dont know what your doing, bad if you actually need them to do something.

3) Clay Magics Red (Medium) bar will get the stuff off, but will leave scratches behind, so be ready to swirl remove then polish then wax/seal afterwards...

4) A good coat of wax will help prevent these things from sticking.

On to my last and final question. To get rid of the swirls/scratches/scuffs the red clay left behind, do you all recommend XMT's #1 then AIO, or #3, then #1, then AIO?
 
Glad to hear you got the issue cleaned....I guess the body shop grade clay worked good ...It funny though...you tried the TW compound and thats like rocks in a can...lol....

I would not park under that tree again...

Glad it's all done now ...

Al
 
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