Help me decide Rinseless Wash for this winter

oneheadlite said:
What I like about the Brilliant finish is how easy it is to dry streak free.

I've used:

Regular ONR- (thought it was fine; had the same observations about wash "feel" as everyone else. Also thought the car seemed to get hold dirt better after use)
ONR W&W- Should try this one again, it's been a while since I used it. When used in a colder garage, I had trouble with streaking on buff off with this one as well.
N-914- Solid performer. Compared to the Brilliant Finish, to me it didn't flash off quite as well. Definitely worth having around.
Wolfgang Uber- Great pop when you're done, but to me it seems to attract dust quickly
Griot's Rinseless Wash and Wax- I love this stuff. Super easy to use, looks great when done. Didn't have the same issue in cold weather I did with the ONR WW (which in my head should be a comparable product).

Full disclosure on the Brilliant Finish - I used it to wash windows on my house, and noted the water beading after it rained was different than just naked glass. No problems with water spotting, just a change in water behavior.

I don't have a microscope ( :D ), nor am I able to do back-to-back-to-back tests like some of the other awesome folks on here, so these are just my layman's observations.

For the price of entry, especially what you can pick it up for during a sale, I'd say it's worth trying. If nothing else you can burn it up doing Rinseless washes on wheels/tires.

Worth noting - When they released it, they only recommended it as a Rinseless Wash at 1oz / 1 gallon of water. They later added 1oz BFRW / 6oz water (6:1) if you wanted to use it as a pre-treat or detail spray. I think they gave this info during one of their YouTube Live videos, I'd have to dig around to find it again. This is the ratio I've used it at for cleaning glass around the house and it works really good.
They still don't recommend it as a clay lubricant.

The 15:1 he used in the video (confession, I only speed skimmed the video) is the recommended ratio for the Rinseless Wash and Wax. (15:1 for prespray/drying aid/clay lube, 320:1 for rinseless duty)




Haven't had a chance to try that one, I guess since so many other RW's get all the forum love it's slipped by me. (I bought Uber around the time when it was a big time favorite here - I was surprised when it didn't make me breakfast the morning after I used it... :laughing: )

Just recently was gifted Ultima Acrylic Waterless Wash, but haven't had an opportunity to use it yet. How does it compare to the Plus?
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IIRC Plus has polymers and Acrylic, as in the name has the same.
 
PaulMys said:
I have actually found that an ounce or two of ONR boosts your washer fluid performance. At least in my experience.
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Cool, @PaulMys. Have you tried any other RW/WWs in the washer fluid, or just ONR? Wondering if I can try that but I do t have ONR, many others though. Maybe least lubricating is best?
 
acuRAS82 said:
Cool, @PaulMys. Have you tried any other RW/WWs in the washer fluid, or just ONR? Wondering if I can try that but I do t have ONR, many others though. Maybe least lubricating is best?
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Just the ONR because it is relatively inexpensive. Uber is a little pricey to be dumping in my washer fluid tank. Lol

But, any RW would work I'll bet.
 
PaulMys said:
Just the ONR because it is relatively inexpensive. Uber is a little pricey to be dumping in my washer fluid tank. Lol

But, any RW would work I'll bet.
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Cool, I have a gallon of previous label BF RW that I got for real cheap during closeout but rarely use. Looks like I’ll be adding a few ounces in to try.

Out of curiosity and not to hijack the thread, do you use normal gas station washer fluid? I always wonder whether those are harsh on window sealant/coatings and/or paint LSPs if they drip on to the paint.
 
I've used a handful of the big players in the RW space. Both versions of ONR, Uber, Ech2o,and N-914.

They're all good and all worth using, but my favorite is n-914. Cleans great, plenty of lubrication and slickness, leaves nothing behind to mess with your LSP if that's important to you, doesn't stain your wash media.

There's a couple more that I would like to try but N-914 is so good I haven't got around to trying them.

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acuRAS82 said:
Cool, I have a gallon of previous label BF RW that I got for real cheap during closeout but rarely use. Looks like I’ll be adding a few ounces in to try.

Out of curiosity and not to hijack the thread, do you use normal gas station washer fluid? I always wonder whether those are harsh on window sealant/coatings and/or paint LSPs if they drip on to the paint.
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I use Peak WW fluid. It's what my dealer uses, and it does not mess with any LSP's or trim coatings. :xyxthumbs:
 
acuRAS82 said:
If you were to use M37 N-914 you could certainly use it for any and all cars/LSPs.

Probably the same with Uber but I can’t guarantee it. I think the PA White Alabaster will be fine right after Uber. FK1000p should definitely be fine on fresh Uber. Ethos Ceramic Wax is the one I don’t know much about and whether it can be applied and maintain max performance/durability on top of a freshly washed Uber RW. It might be iffy if the wax says it requires a bare surface or fresh coating to latch on to... but my large gut tells me that most ceramic waxes would dissolve the light polymers left behind by Uber.

Feynlab Pure Rinseless would leave nothing behind and could be topped by any LSO but obviously may impact the strength of the underlying layer of LSP if that even matters.
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Totally agree, the one that I also have doubts is the Ethos wax, to be honest I believe it has to have polymers on its formula. It definitely says it is a wax-resin formula that contains teflon, it doesnt specify polymers but probably has them, the other question would be the d3fy maintenance product which is SiO2 based.

My last formula for ONR rinseless wash that I tried at the end was 3 gals of water + 1.5 oz ONR + 1 oz of P&S Pearl Shampoo.
It got definitely slicker but not slicker than Uber

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Yeah, I think I was a chemist in my premius life, my drying aid is a mix that I did, my foam cannon soap is a mix that I did in a gallon, my ONR I enden up mixing it with pearl, my tire dressing is also a mix, hahaha
Crazy

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While washing my cars during this weekend I though something about this subject.
Wolfgang has ceramic coatings, and they have a SiO2 Waterless Wash but the do not have a SiO2 Rinseless wash, so my though was, maybe Uber Rinseless Wash can be used on coated cars and that is why Wolfgang have not come with a new product on that matter.

What you think?

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gorillapr said:
While washing my cars during this weekend I though something about this subject.
Wolfgang has ceramic coatings, and they have a SiO2 Waterless Wash but the do not have a SiO2 Rinseless wash, so my though was, maybe Uber Rinseless Wash can be used on coated cars and that is why Wolfgang have not come with a new product on that matter.

What you think?

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Dunno, that idea seems to contradict the SiO2 WW since Uber is also a WW. BUT, it’s still my opinion that Uber is one of the better non-SiO2 gloss-enhancing RWs one could use on a coating because it seems to have the least substantial gloss left behind compared to others.

I personally wish WG would come out with concentrated SiO2 WW/RW... similar to an Ech2O.
 
gorillapr said:
Have you used Ultima WW+?
whats the deal with the polychargers?
To me it sounds like those will mess up the LSP
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I’ve used Ultima WW+, it’s one of the more substantial WWs out there, never mind the polycharger. Polycharger is just a type of additive or polymer that is supposed to help reduce static charge and add longevity, slickness, etc. Similar to any other type of ingredients that can be used to make products work well but had its own name and could be purchased separate years ago to add in with any given product I believe. The Ultima line and sister Four Star line use it in some products, as does Blackfire.

Anyways, Uber RW is less substantial gloss enhancers in my opinion. UWW+ lays down more which could mask the LSP a bit more. Some LSPs are masked easier than others from my experience. So a lot of factors happening here but if you were trying to not alter your LSP in any way, something glossless like N-914 would be ideal, something with very light gloss enhancers like Uber would be next in line, and something ‘thicker’ like UWW+ would be something you might shy away from. I’m ignoring synergy here because I think using UWW+ on certain LSPs may actually help in some ways (Ultima lines, Four Star UPP).
 
Yeah, the anti-static thing kinda attracts me because my neightborhood is still under construction which generates a ton of dust in the air, so even inside the garage my cars get really dusty which is mega annoying. I know an anti-static is no miracle but maybe it will help.

I used to like bead maker but I stopped using it, it was getting so bad that the car next day didnt look like I even washed it

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gorillapr said:
I used to like bead maker but I stopped using it, it was getting so bad that the car next day didnt look like I even washed it

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I'm sure everyone has different experiences, but I have never found Bead Maker to attract dust any more or less than other products. JMO.......
 
PaulMys said:
I'm sure everyone has different experiences, but I have never found Bead Maker to attract dust any more or less than other products. JMO.......
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I’m still trying to find out definitively for myself. For the most part I think it doesn’t attract dust, but my car does get dusty [or maybe my expectations are too high in general]

I’m going to cut my car in half soon and post a long term 50/50 test to find out the answer.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Did you do a 50/50 test to confirm that?^
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Yes I did

50% hood, driver side fender and driver side door vs another product on the rest of car, definitely those 3 areas were considerably dustier.

There is a video of the Rag Company FAQ channel where they agreed that Bead Maker attracts dust on its curing process, after its cured then it has anti-static properties. My neightborhood due to being in construction is just a Den of Dust, but bead maker just exacerbates it

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