Help with pricing out a detail

good points Bill. but again, biggest factor in determining price would be where you live. I know where I live I could get $150 for an exterior like this , no problem. but I also know that only 10 miles from me they can get $300 for the same job. and I also know that 10 miles in the other direction you would have a hard time getting $50 for the job. big difference there. you gotta charge what your POTENITAL customers are going to be willing to pay. otherwise you are scaring away customers who might work in a place with 30 women who would book right now. lotta things to consider nuless you are just looking to make a quick buck.

No...no...don't misunderstand me. I don't disagree with anything you've stated. Rather, I just thought it had already been stated by other posters and I thought I'd add to it. Lots of research and things to consider...and it's area specific. By that I mean, not even on a regional level, but real world local levels...town to town.

Unless you're providing a niche service that caters to certain "car guys" here in farm country you'll likely starve to death. Not really, but you get my point. Lots of people doing detail work in my area for cheap rates. Most may know of detailing forums, but that's about a far as it goes, and their knowledge shows it. I'm a firm believer in what Mr. Phillips says about the best detailers hanging out on forums, participating in the giving and sharing of knowledge and new technology. However, the locals cheap rates put a hurt on a guy like me who's wanting to bring more knowledge and skill to the table. Those guys, though, they are catering to "their" customers who want just shiny...which is most people. This forces me to set myself apart somehow, and find a niche market.

It didn't take long for the word to get out on my level of work, just a few cars. It also didn't take long for the word to get out that I was much too cheap...especially considering after spending as high as 22 hours on a Denali (which didn't incliude polishing of any kind at the owners wishes) and only making $4.75 an hour. I put the brakes on that...I have to if I'm to help provide for my family. I've backed up, and have quit taking more work at this time. I'm working on my own projects for the time being, gaining valuable experience while collecting some great photo's.

I'm studying, researching, and planning on making a fresh start in the spring and I'm going to have some impressive photo's to showcase my work. I'm making plans on a menu and a few other things and come spring time I'm going to target what I think is my niche market using the connections that I have. Then, it'll be "this" price or I'm walking away from it and as Mr. Phillips would say...I'm going to let some other detailer have that blessing. It's just that simple.

I've already turned down a boat detail where the guy wanted me to blast off what was left of the clear gel-coat and he wanted me to try and brind some shine to the bare flake. It was peeling like a snake. I'm not even going to waste the pads and products on it...let the guy up town have it. I don't want it.

One thing I've learned is that people will take advantage of you if you let them. Also, any labor work that involves, knowledge along with hustle is worth a minimum of $20 bucks an hour, and I don't care what it is.

Construction work is very laborous and strenuous work. While I don't think general detailing offers the same level of strenuous work (minus sanding or working by hand), as in lifting and lugging at things...at least for me...what it lacks on those levels can be made up with by speed in certain aspects of detailing...with hustle. If you don't bump it up to that level through additional speed and hustle, then I don't think you're working hard enough to increase your profits, at least for production type detailing.

These pro's out there telling people (us) on forums that we're doing a disservice to them and to ourselves by being too cheap. Well...I think they're right provided you educate yourself and continue to do so while staying on top of new technology and technique. There are other aspects of detailing where I think some pro's are ripping people off, but that's another topic for another day (not even going to go there now...and may never on a public forum). Continuing education is a must to survive...I don't care what field it is.

From what I've learned, read about and observed about this industry...it's not a necessity for folks to detail...given for some it may be, like people who use their cars for business which is and can be a calling card...but the majority of lay people just looking to spruce up their ride, it isn't a necessity. To me, that means those lay people have money to pay for new cars, and they'll likely have money to have them maintained if they don't do it themselves. It's these people who often want to drive the best cars and have them maintained but don't want to pay for it and don't care about educating themselves to do it. The only option then is to pay a hack, or a true pro or a hobbiest who hangs out on a forum and shares information. All too often most go with the hack, at least once...which is usually their first experience and last experience with any detailer. Education...education...education. Did I say, "EDUCATION?"

Mr. Phillips and others are right. Who's going to educate a potential customer except those of us who stay on top of continuing education from like minded pro's and hobbiests? It's our job to educate the customer in any way, and by any means that we can. This is how we seperate ourselves from hacks.

I know the above is a tremendous amount of hoopla to some of you, especially coming from a newbie. However, I try my best to digest what I take in from various hobbiests and pro's on these forums and the books these pro's write. My viewpoint may eventually change from the above, but for now that's my take on things. It is, what it is...for now.
 
good points Bill. but again, biggest factor in determining price would be where you live. I know where I live I could get $150 for an exterior like this , no problem. but I also know that only 10 miles from me they can get $300 for the same job. and I also know that 10 miles in the other direction you would have a hard time getting $50 for the job. big difference there. you gotta charge what your POTENITAL customers are going to be willing to pay. otherwise you are scaring away customers who might work in a place with 30 women who would book right now. lotta things to consider nuless you are just looking to make a quick buck.

Location is a bit of it about 5%, but overall, you have to charge what you want, and attract the types of cars you want. I have seen people detail a car that costs as much as their home, in their garage. High end or low end in the spectrum is up to you, each can be very profitable. Getting a reputation as a stellar detailer will make you more than just prices and location. Sort of like when I get a car from Bubbles Car Wash (franchise detailing) and the person is mad they paid $300 and the car looks like it was ran through a car wash and vacuumed. I spend 10hrs+ on the car fixing Bubbles' mistakes. They keep coming back to me.

Educating the client is cruuuuucial for them to return. For example, there is a sports supplement store near me ran by a doctor. His prices range from 70-250% above retail prices. I kept going back to him, because he educated me so much, I thought "only his products are good". Like Bill said, working out a plan or a contract is best.

BUT! lets all get back to the question in point. "What do I charge my friend?"

Honestly, charge him what you feel comfortable with. There really is no formula for what you want. I would say $40 for scratch removal. Thats generally a safe bet.
 
If I was you, and he's a close friend.

1 Step Polish w/ Scratch Removal w/ Wax $160
2 Step Compound/Polish w/ Scratch Removal w/ Wax $220-$260

Above prices would only be ext of the truck/door jams. Interior would be extra but at a low cost. Its a big Truck and its Black. Do your best so next month you will have little work and can make a easy $80.00 on a quick 2 hour at most clean up.

Ps. I do $30 hr for friends.
Family i dont charge.

If he ask why so high or makes a sense of that you are over charging let him know why and that the next details/washes will be cheaper because you have already fixed the main issues.

:iagree: The big work you should get paid for, its alot of work that shouldn't be taken likely and the prices stated above are very fair. If you'd like charge less for the maintenance. But with a work truck like that you definitly want to be compensated for your work otherwise you may end up harboring resentment. Take it from me, I've been there more than my fair share. Either way the final price comes down to what YOU believe your time is worth
 
tell us where you live first. second, this job, exterior only, would not take me more than 4 hours. and the fact that you will be doing it every month or so means MUCH more than the first time price. keep in mind, 30 days from now, the job will be much easier. the detailing business in a decent sized city is much more about repeat customers than it is about "lets make a killing on this one car". do him a good job, offer to give him a discount of $10 if a customer refers in and gets their vehicle cleaned, and before you know it you have more than enough customers. trust me, I turned away 3 customers today only. hard to do but I am also booked through the end of the year. so where you live?

Im out in Suffolk County . NY
 
THank you for all the responces everyone. Tihs forum is great!
 
I am not a professional detailer but am just finishing up doing a really intensive detail on my crew cab dually truck. If you have not done one of these larger trucks before, I'm here to tell ya it takes awhile to cover every inch of one. You'll spend way more hours than you think you will. You may want to do this hourly if this is your first one of this size?
 
This is definitely the largest truck I have done yet.
 
I agree with a lot of what has been said. F350s are huge trucks. I don't detail for a living, and only do it on the side, but I wouldn't consider myself totally inefficient. I had 11 hours into a Nissan Armada a few weeks ago, doing what I assume you'd be doing with the F350. I washed, clay barred, did a 1-step polish to remove the dealer installed holograms, and then applied a coat of Collinite 845.

Do you have a plan of attack? What products and tools will you be using? Based on your ability and your experience with your own vehicles and others, how long would you assume it will take?
 
Based on the size of the truck and the visable scratches I have seen This will be my plan of attack.

Wash
Polish - PC
Scratch Removal - PC
Seal - PC

I did the initial wash and clay of the truck yesterday. So i will be re-washing to remove dust/dirt/etc and then take it from there.
 
Here is my 2 cents...

This is not based on my detailing experience but from my business background (unrelated to detailing).

I agree 100% on educating your clients, and in such you should take each and every opportunities to dive into all aspect of the work you are doing (and will be doing) and break it down to the basics, so that even a 2 year old can understand. You don't need the big words and don't need to dive into the processes, but you do have to describe the nature of the job step by step, its price point and the justification for your fees. (A little education goes a long way!!)

There should be some pricing justifications for:
1) The type of vehicle
Garage queen, daily drivers, work vehicle, show cars, etc...​
2) The type of work REQUIRED (This is where you educate and up-sale what they NEED)
Wash, clay, paint corrections, polish, sealer, wax, interior, engine bay etc...​
3) The type of maintenance (this is where you give them a discount based on the regularity because it helps YOU... and they need to know that)
You can discount based on mileage, based on how soiled they bring their vehicle, based on if they are bringing the car to you or if you do it onsite etc...​
4) Type type of advertising they will do for you (this is where you offer referral incentives).

Educate, educate, educate!!! Being so detail oriented, you would have a better chance on selling me if you showed me facts rather than telling me how good of a job you will be doing. Yes, I will be impressed with the work but it would still not justify the price. On the other hand, if you were to have done your homework and given me a break down on the square footage of my car, the cost of material and the labor involved.... that would definitely incentivize me to not "neglect" my truck, so to avoid the upcharges (claying charge, 2 step polishing process etc..), This would also give me accountability to maintain the truck in between detailing jobs.
 
:iagree: The big work you should get paid for, its alot of work that shouldn't be taken likely and the prices stated above are very fair. If you'd like charge less for the maintenance. But with a work truck like that you definitly want to be compensated for your work otherwise you may end up harboring resentment. Take it from me, I've been there more than my fair share. Either way the final price comes down to what YOU believe your time is worth

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But yes, now that the prices are covered... what producks will you be using?

I did a black ford not that long ago...

Porter Cable/Rotary in some spots.
Gray LC pad/Orange LC pad with M105 *diamond cut*
Grey LC pad with Mernz P083Q (205 didnt work well for me on ford paint.)
Wolfgang Deep Gloss sealant.


Follow up details, if the paint still looks great maybe just blacklight and v7?? (I never used it but it looks like it would work well)

Goodluck let us know how it turns out!!

TAKE some before and after pics with the products ur using.


Looks really nice for what it was worth.
 
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