Hi Dollar wax systems and polishes

[mpcross]

Hi Mike, I have questions about some of the more expensive wax and polish systems. I have read many articles and visited many web sites on various wax polish products.

In my rsearch, wax products have different grades and % carnuba wax, which appears to be the best top coat. I can see most wax products fall in the $8.00 to $70.00 range in the 12oz. to 16oz. range. I cannot see how, even on a molecular bonding level, how $900.00 to $8000.00 for a product can produce a "That much deeper, wetter, protective, longer lasting finish". Is it possible?! I am trying to be open minded.

I have another question or two about layering products. There are many good ones out there in my opinion, and have come to the conclusion that for my 09 GMC Sierra, Black, I will utilize a light polish, glaze, protectant/sealant, then last but not least a non solvent /cleaner high % wax product. In your opinion, will this system give me the best protection avalible today? I want minimum clear reduction, because I plan on keeping this vehicle until I am gone and would like to preserve the factory finish.

Last question, is there any product that will layer,to nutralize bug guts,bird poo,etc or strong enough to keep the problem from geeting into the clear for a day or two until it can be removed. In that same subject area, is there a detailer spray or product that will netralize those problems and leave a protective shine, until the next waxing.

I know these are a lot of questions, but I thought it would provide some food for thought. Thanks much, MPC

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Hi Mike, I have questions about some of the more expensive wax and polish systems.

I cannot see how, even on a molecular bonding level, how $900.00 to $8000.00 for a product can produce a "That much deeper, wetter, protective, longer lasting finish". Is it possible?! I am trying to be open minded.

I've tested against some very high end products and from a beauty point of view they did test well. Perception is reality and that's a very personal issue, I'm not going to tell the guy that owns a Ferrari not to buy the wax he wants to buy because of any of my opinions, instead I would opt to help him get the best results from his choice.

From what I've read over the years is that most of your top shelf waxes and sealants do what they claim they'll do and if a person is happy with with the results that's all that's important.

I refer to using a finishing wax to a highly polished finish as analogous to putting frosting on a cake. That is, cake is good, but frosting makes that which is already good even better. I do like the results a quality finishing wax or paint sealant will impart to a finish in excellent condition and I firmly believe that applying a quality wax or paint sealant will take your results from polishing to a higher level.

Frosting on the cake
How To Choose The Right Wax or Paint Sealant for your Detailing Project


The best way to have a solid opinion is through real world experience...

I have another question or two about layering products. There are many good ones out there in my opinion, and have come to the conclusion that for my 09 GMC Sierra, Black, I will utilize a light polish, glaze, protectant/sealant, then last but not least a non solvent /cleaner high % wax product. In your opinion, will this system give me the best protection available today? I want minimum clear reduction, because I plan on keeping this vehicle until I am gone and would like to preserve the factory finish.

Since this is a truck, your approach sounds good, for your LSP, that is your Last Step Product, if you want maximum protection, look for a brand name product in which both the product and the company behind the product have a stellar reputation.

Last question, is there any product that will layer,to neutralize bug guts,bird poo,etc or strong enough to keep the problem from getting into the clear for a day or two until it can be removed. In that same subject area, is there a detailer spray or product that will neutralize those problems and leave a protective shine, until the next waxing.

When it comes to bird droppings, I don't know of any wax or paint sealant available to the public that will prevent Uric Acid from etching paint and here's why... it's pretty simple really but escapes most people...

If a substance is corrosive enough to etch, that is to eat into and dissolve, a modern Urethane clear coat finish, then this substance is corrosive enough to eat right past a micron, and even sub-micron layer of wax or paint sealant.

That's just reality. The most you can hope for is to slow down something like the Uric Acid in a bird dropping until you can remove it and that's what a quality wax or paint sealant will do and that's why you want to keep a quality spray detailing with you at all time. Like this,


How To Build Your Own Emergency Car Care Kit

How to safely remove a dried bird dropping

I know these are a lot of questions, but I thought it would provide some food for thought. Thanks much, MPC

You're number of questions isn't too much, some people will post a dozen or more questions in a single post and that makes it difficult to answer them in a way that's easy to format especially if there are lots of "follow-up" questions. Just because of the graphical way text can be displayed on a discussion forum.


FWIW...

This isn't so much for you but for all the Members and Lurkers that will read a thread like this into the future as I try to type for a wide audience and for the future...

On forums, it's best to ask 2, maybe 3 questions in a single post as that makes it easier for others to answer and improves,

A. The number of answers
B. The quality of answers


That's just a way of helping yourself to help yourself get quality answers. I speak from experience after investing lots of time in my life typing out answers to both posts with lots of questions and posts with a few questions.


It's also a good habit to start a new thread when changing to a new set of questions that are different topics than the first set of questions as that way the "Subject" of the thread will reflect the topic of the questions and attract forum members that feel qualified to chime in...

 

[CEE DOG]

On forums, it's best to ask 2, maybe 3 questions in a single post as that makes it easier for others to answer and improves,

A. The number of answers
B. The quality of answers

That's just a way of helping yourself to help yourself get quality answers. I speak from experience after investing lots of time in my life typing out answers to both posts with lots of questions and posts with a few questions.

That's good advice Mike! It doesn't always come naturally especially when you're new to something and you want to get all your questions down at once.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

That's good advice Mike! It doesn't always come naturally especially when you're new to something and you want to get all your questions down at once.

Thanks... it's always meant in the nicest way too...

 

[mpcross]

Thanks for the quick reply and you opinions. Bugs in TX are killers and I am particular. I do keep detailer in the truck along with waterless cleaner/wax. I always wonder,if you wipe off the offender with whatever product,and it does not have a uric acid neturalizer then is one contaminating the wax or polish touch up. I have never left any bugs on the paint more than the time to my destination.

Just thought there might be a product with a uric acid neturalizer.

I will put my questions down as single threads,so everyone will feel better about responding,I get it.

 

[BobbyG]

I've seen some pretty high priced car care products but none of them ever approached the $8000 mark but then I found one that was $30,000!! Yup $30,000 and that was for just the product!! Now bear in mind these beauties also included "free refills"!!

Would you spend $30,000 on car wax? Zymol thinks so. - Wide Open Throttle - Motor Trend Magazine

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if you can afford these product and feel they provide you with that extra gloss and protection that other products won't then by all means give them a try. One thing to remember is the folks that buy these products look at $30,000 like you and I look at $30.00. Neither flinch at these prices and lifestyles won't be affected.

For the most part regular folks like most of us here find the products offered through Autogeek to be some of the finest available today. I've learned allot here and my vehicles as well as others have become all the better for it.

Autogeek is my high-end car care supplier.............nuf said........rops:

 

[CEE DOG]

Thanks for the quick reply and you opinions. Bugs in TX are killers and I am particular. I do keep detailer in the truck along with waterless cleaner/wax. I always wonder,if you wipe off the offender with whatever product,and it does not have a uric acid neturalizer then is one contaminating the wax or polish touch up. I have never left any bugs on the paint more than the time to my destination.

Just thought there might be a product with a uric acid neturalizer.

I think most of the QD's will neutralize the acids by removing them with the aid of a quality mf. I usually use ONR after a drive while the bugs are still fresh.

Check this out.... I haven't used it but maybe this is what you want.

Diamondite Bug Eraser™ Waterless Bug Remover, bug cleaner, Diamondite bug remover

 

[ScottB]

Look to the Finishkare Decontamination kit also ...