Hi from New England.

I agree with SeaJay. You need some experience. You want to have your process down to a science before even considering opening your own business. You need to ask yourself, what is your market? How many headlights do you need to do each week? Who are your competitors? How will you get customers? THese are all important questions for anyone starting a business.

If you have any charities like Goodwill or others that take automobile donations near you, you can restore their headlights without risk as you develop your technique. You can also deduct your normal fee as a deductable contribution on your taxes.

ray6
 
Hello all. I am new to detailing. I am going to start a headlight restoration business. I am currently reading up as much as I can about the business. I have bought some things but not everything. If anyone has information about pad usage or anything it would be great to read about it

Thanks

"Murph"
Hi Murph-
We don't use any pads other than disposable 3000 grit foam backed for our final prep, so I can't help you there. However, here are a few ideas to consider:

If you're going to do this professionally, get a decent DA sander such as the Groit or Metabo 3". You need a small size for headlights. You could start with hand sanding, but you will get better results with a D/A. Don't use an electric drill. Hard to hold. Easy to damage paint.

We don't do any masking when using the D/A and all our protective coatings are wipe on. We also use a sanding lubricant that doesn't throw off splatter.

Try to avoid spray on or UV coatings. Requires masking and longer restoration times.

Find and use a true final coat made for headlights. A good coating will last 2-3 years so you can offer a real warranty.

Practice, practice, practice. Learn the art before you charge customers. You might be able to practice on donated cars at Goodwill or other charities and get a writeoff on your taxes.

Each headlight is different. Learn how to adjust your restorations to meet your customer's needs.

Set your pricing on your costs and desired markup. Decide what your hourly pay should be, add material costs and time. It is possible to compete with others if you can do a better restoration or equal to theirs, but in a shorter time.

Don't skimp on materials. The material cost should run between $1 and $3 per headlight so it's not a major factor. The key thing is how long it takes you.

Learn how to gauge restoration efforts before quoting. You can determine in advance and charge accordingly.

Tip: Before quoting a restore, wet the headlight with water to verify that the damage is on the outside of the headlight, not the inside.

Referrals are your best salesman. Do an excellent job and your customer becomes your salesman.

Be prepared to restore headlights that have been butchered by DIY kits or competitors.

Find someone to mentor you without competing such as a restorer in another town. Most are very receptive if not a direct competitor.

Be willing to do freebees to potential customers such as car dealerships.

Don't ignore commercial account possibilities such as police and fire departments, government vehicles, etc.

Take lots of before and after pix to show potential customers.

Buy a dirty headlight from a boneyard (Ford/Mercury 90-96 are the best because they are mostly clear) and restore half of it to show customers.

Always use a good sanding lubricant, even if you hand sand. Saves sand paper and saves time by not having to change disks so often.

Be legal. Get a business license and insurance. Get high quality brochures and business cards.

Hope this helps.

ray6
 
What is waterborne 2k?

It's a water based chemically cured coating consisting of the base coat (4 parts) and activator (1 part). Cures in about 5 min. Only available in bulk, about $90 fro 20 oz. One oz. would do about 10-15 headlights. Cannot name without violating forum rules because it's not carried by AG.
ray6
 
Ray. Thanks for the sound advice. All of it is good.
 
Hello all. I am new to detailing. I am going to start a headlight restoration business. I am currently reading up as much as I can about the business. I have bought some things but not everything. If anyone has information about pad usage or anything it would be great to read about it

Thanks

"Murph"

Having been restoring headlights for about four years, I would like to share some things I've learned so you don't make the same mistakes I did.

There's no easy answer to most of the questions I see posted on this forum, such as; what's the best coating, procedure, sander,etc. There are too many variables involved. Take for example the common question "how long will the coating last?"

It depends on two things; the quality of the new coating (and how well it sticks) and the environmental situation of the restored headlight. For example, Chrysler P.T. Cruisers (also Ford, Mercury 90-96). These headlights have a high exposure angle (more horizontal) so they get far more UV exposure than most others. Other variables are how much time do they spend in the sun? Parked north or south? Garaged? Florida? Oregon?

I would guess a P.T. Cruiser coating would fail twice as fast as a more vertical headlight with all other factors being equal.

Another factor is the customer's expectations. I do a "commercial" restoration aimed at low end car lots, fleet vehicles, fixit tickest, etc. It takes about 10 minutes per car and requires no sanding. It's warranted for 6 months to one year depending on the coating used.

At the other extreme is when a high end detailer or body shop wants a "good as new" restoration. This might take over an hour to perform, but would be warranted for 3 years without maintenance. Then there's everything in between.
Bottom line to be successful in headlight restoration is to be flexible to meet any customer's needs. I use 4 different coatings, depending on the customer's expectations and pocketbook. Warranties run from none to 3 years.

Commercial restorations can be done for $20 per vehicle in less than 10 minutes and I can still net over $100 per hour. A high end resto might get you $120/ but after you subtract materials and time you might make $60/hour.

I don't dislike advertising, but I never had mush success with it. Probably 90% of my business is by referrals from previous customers and dealers.
Tools and materials

Don't skimp. Use the best you can afford. Don't use battery operated anything if you're going to be a pro. You'll spend too much time changing and charging batteries. If you must, make sure you can recharge a battery from your car or truck. Drills are difficult to control and can leave swirls and they get hot. With a good D/A 110 volt sander/polisher (Metabo or Groit's) you can work all day on an extension cord or 400 watt inverter and they won't get hot or require switching batteries. They are light and easy to control. With a little practice, you don't need to mask.

Many restorations don't require any sanding at all, or if they do, it's very little and can be easily sanded by hand.

Coatings
Don't warrant any coating (when being paid) if you don't know how long it will last. The last thing you want is warranty failures especially from retail customers or your best dealers.

There are dozens of coatings available, from synthetic wax, polyurethane (Minwax, etc.) all the way to original faxctory coating used by the original headlight manufacturer.
Since your business future may depend a great deal on your warranty and coating performance, choose wisely. Many products claim they're the best or permanent, but don't back it up with data. We have tested all our products by using a sun simulator (a glorified sunlamp) that puts out 10X sunlight so 3 days equals 1 month exposure so we know what to expect.

I see many products that are big on claims, but short on data. This is not rocket science. Expose it to the sun and see how long it lasts. I have to believe the manufacturers have tested their products, so why not share?

To meet U.S. ANSI safety standards, OEM headlight manufacturers must beet a long list of requirements to legally use inU.S. bound cars. One of these is nicknamed the 3 year Florida test. The coating must not degrade significantly within 36 months of ecposure. The testing is quite involved, and the coatings the O.E.M.s use to coat headlights can cost around $900 a gallon! Yet, many companies tell you a simple polish or wax will replace this protective coat.

If a customer were to re-apply some form of protective coating after every car wash or every 2 months, their headlights would last for years.

My advice is to avoid any unproven product and use the good stuff.

Good stuff means a coating where the molecules are hooked together (cross-linked). As far as I know, all cross linked coatings share similar traits:

They require energy to cross link; chemical, heat or UV which areall really the same. Cross linking is usually accomplished by applying heat at a molecular level. The molecules become agitated and drop into links. Chemical cure causes a chemical induced heat. UV light is absorbed by the coating atoms and converts to heat.

They're expensive, but as an example we use a 2K waterborne linear polyethylene that costs around $15/ ounce, but the cost per headlight is about 75 cents. Some so-called miracle coatings can cost you $3-10/headlight. There goes your profit.

They're sensitive to light, heat, lifetime, pot life, etc.
Some require special equipment such as spray gun, UV lamps, masking, etc.

I still use one of these coatings, but only for high end restorations that sell for over $100.
So, to summarize:

Do your research, but deal in fact not hype.

Practice, practice, practice.

Headlight restoration is a business. You need both art and business sense. Neither one will make you successful by itself.

Be legal; business license, liability insurance, etc.
Learn how to sell to govenrments. City, county, state, etc. Hugh market potential.

Be professional in everything the customer sees.

Determine pricing models on 4 things:

What does it cost you to do a resto (materials, time, drive time, etc.)

What are your customer's expectations

What do you need to offer to put you above the competition
What salary do you need to make

I hope this will help you get started on the right foot and avoid many of the mistakes I made.

P.S.- I don't think any of the products I use are sold by AG, so I can't post them.
ray6
 
If you're going to do this professionally, get a decent DA sander such as the Griot or Metabo 3". You need a small size for headlights. You could start with hand sanding, but you will get better results with a D/A. Don't use an electric drill. Hard to hold. Easy to damage paint.


ray6


Just add to what Ray wrote, from my Detailing Boot Camp Class May 5th and 6th, page 2 I demonstrated the 3" Griot's Garage Mini Polisher.


First we went over handsanding using the Meguiar's backing pad for their discs. I show hand sanding first so after seeing or actually using your muscles to sand plastic I know the students will love and prefer working by machine.


Handsanding Headlights
Next up is headlight polishing, for this we used the Meguiar's Heavy Duty Headlight Correction System with a twist, I demonstrated the Meguiar's backing pad for the 3" Sanding Discs but then shared how they also fit on the Griot's Garage 3" Mini Polisher and how working by machine takes all the work out of the project.


Wetting the face of the #1000 Unigrit Sanding Disc with plain water...
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Hand sanding... (elbow grease)
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Machine Sanding Headlights

Machine sanding (no elbow grease)
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Everyone pretty much just wanted to work by machine... here's Jeff machine sanding a headlight lens...
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Here's Stephan misting some water onto the face of the sanding disc...
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Stephan machine sanding a headlight lens
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Don machine sanding...
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Products used...

3" Griot's Garage Mini Orbital Polisher
Be sure to get the 3" Foam Interface Pad if you're planning on using the 3" Griot's Garage Mini Polisher for sanding headlights for dampsanding paint. It makes keeping the sanding disc flat to the surface easier and makes sanding smoother. Serious.


Meguiars Heavy Duty Two Step Headlight Restoration Kit - G3000




Meguiars Unigrit 3 Inch Sanding Discs
Meguiars Unigrit 3 Inch Finishing Discs

Flitz ScuffPads
I also demonstrated the Flitz ScuffPads. The Flitz Mini ScuffPad is made of resin-coated non-woven abrasives in cut fiber strands. The flexible, durable sanding pads are perfect for contoured surfaces. Use the pads wet or dry.

The Flitz Mini ScuffPad is the equivalent to 1500 grit sandpaper. On scratched headlight lenses, plastics, wood, composite, and metal, the Mini ScuffPad sands down the scratched surface to create a more uniform surface. When you begin polishing, the entire surface is being leveled at the same rate. The results are uniform and smooth.


Flitz Mini ScuffPads 6 Pack, 1500 Grit

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