Hologram Free with a Rotary Buffer

[FUNX650]

A DA can cause holograms if used with improper technique; usually a dirty pad

^^^Nope!^^^

• A DA can cause: micro-marring; tick-marks;
and "DA-haze". But not holograms.

• Holograms are caused by rotary/circular polishers.

• Contaminated/Dirty sanding-media can cause pigtails.


Bob

 

[AaronC]

any pictures to tell the difference please on the pig tails, tick marks micro marring

 

[FUNX650]

any pictures to tell the difference please on the pig tails, tick marks micro marring

Here's a few:

Pigtails - Photo courtesy of Mister B

Micromarring/Tickmarks

Bob

 

[AaronC]

some pictures of the suv I was doing..It was in terrible shape.




results

 

[AaronC]

thanks bob. The thing is as you can see in the pictures it looks great but once the sun hit it I saw some hologram so I got curious. Ill take another look tomorrow once it hits the sun. thank you guys for fast response.

 

[FUNX650]

^^^You had a little bit of everything!^^^

Good job! rops:

Bob

 

[allenk4]

^^^Nope!^^^

• A DA can cause: micro-marring; tick-marks;
and "DA-haze". But not holograms.

• Holograms are caused by rotary/circular polishers.

• Contaminated/Dirty sanding-media can cause pigtails.


Bob

FLEX 3401

Speed 6

Fast arm movement

Compound

Dirty pad


Will do it every time

 

[allenk4]

CarPro Denim pads can also cause Pig Tails

I have also seen a dirty pad on a Rupes create "Fish hooks" that look a lot like Pig Tails. The longer throw makes the defect look more like the letter "J"

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

sorry for bring back this thread from the past, but is it possible to remove holograms with da polisher?

Yes.

The black Mustang in this article was swirled out by a dealership and I fixed it using a DA Polisher.


DISO = The Dealership Installed Swirl Option


Before

After

I detailed a black suv today and saw some light holograms and thought that it was probably me but the owner said a he had previously taken it to another shop...so question is can I use my dual action polisher to remove them or do I need a rotary?

It's best for most people to use a DA to remove the holograms instilled via a Rotary Buffer.

second question is would my dual action could have created those holograms?

IF - Again... IF you're using lousy abrasive technology or products meant to be used with rotary buffers ONLY then you can leave Trails or Patterns in the paint that mimic the direction you moved the DA Polisher over the paint.

These trails are trails of DA Haze which is micro-marring scratches in the paint. These are very different than the type of scratches inflicted by a rotary buffer.

Also, too aggressive of a pad, be it a foam pad or any type of fiber pad, when used on a dual action polisher can leave these micro-marring trails in the paint.

Couple a pad that's too aggressive with lousy abrasive technology and you now have TWO THINGS instilling the DA Haze into the paint.

The most important factor when it comes to buffing paint is to use quality products that use quality abrasive technology.

Technique is #2 and Abrasive Technology is #1 because it's the abrasives that are touching the paint.

Make sense?

 

[FUNX650]

FLEX 3401

Speed 6

Fast arm movement

Compound

Dirty pad


Will do it every time

CarPro Denim pads can also cause Pig Tails

I have also seen a dirty pad on a Rupes create "Fish hooks" that look a lot like Pig Tails. The longer throw makes the defect look more like the letter "J"

I am moving on:
I've decided to not give any importance
to the battles you are going through.


Bob

 

[FUNX650]

It's best for most people to use a DA to remove the holograms instilled via a Rotary Buffer.


IF - Again... IF you're using lousy abrasive technology or products meant to be used with rotary buffers ONLY then you can leave Trails or Patterns in the paint that mimic the direction you moved the DA Polisher over the paint.

These trails are trails of DA Haze which is micro-marring scratches in the paint. These are very different than the type of scratches inflicted by a rotary buffer.

Also, too aggressive of a pad, be it a foam pad or any type of fiber pad, when used on a dual action polisher can leave these micro-marring trails in the paint.

Couple a pad that's too aggressive with lousy abrasive technology and you now have TWO THINGS instilling the DA Haze into the paint.

The most important factor when it comes to buffing paint is to use quality products that use quality abrasive technology.

Technique is #2 and Abrasive Technology is #1 because it's the abrasives that are touching the paint.

Make sense?

Thanks Mike, as always, for your guidance!

Bob

 

[Joe@NextLevelDetail]

Awesome read Mike, when you said that IPA is a horrible lubricant and it can easily marr, I smiled , I tell people all the time, after I perfect the paint I don't want to Detail spray it, iPa it, etc because of the chance of marring.

I was never a fan of doing a IPA wipe down after the last step, that's why when I do coatings I use CarPro essence! Because it is a primer for cquart, and it doesn't require a ipa wipedown

In fact (I feel like you mike) I even brought this up in a video review I did on essence, that I don't like wiping down with iPa because I'm scared of marring.

Glad you confirmed I'm not crazy !

 

[15F150TJK]

Hologram Free with a Rotary Buffer

I took my 2015 Ford F150 (Blue Jeans color) to a dealership that will remain nameless for now. I'll just say it is in Michigan. I took it in because of a dent and scratches I received from someone who hit my truck with their mirror. The body shop manager said he could remove the dent with paintless dent removal and wet sand and buff out the scratch. By the way, he did a great job on that and you can't tell it ever happened. HOWEVER, I said, "since you're doing that, can you remove all these little fine white scratched I got from a bad brush-type car wash?". He assured me he could and I allowed him to do it. He charged me a total of $150, which was $85 for the dent removal and removing the big scratch and $65 for the buffing. However, his $65 buffing ruined my truck in my opinion. I complained to him and went to the owner. Two additional tries and three total different people working on it, but truck looks like absolute crap! This is a new truck with only 12,000 miles on it. I can't even look at it when it's sunny outside, as it's too depressing for words. Just look at the photos, some of which were taken today (7/10/2016).

What are the changes of this being taken back to normal? It's on both sides of the truck...all four doors, front quarter panels and truck bed...basically everything but the room, tailgate and hood, which the imbeciles never touched. Any help and cost estimates would be appreciated!!

(PS: I've tried for 20 minutes to post photos as JPGs and even PDFs, I can't post even one).