How are spray and rinse sealants like HydrO2 legal?

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I could understand a contained product like a spray wax or tar remover having these warnings, but not a spray and rinse sealant that's routinely washed down driveways, drains, etc. How are companies able to sell products like this in the US?


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Autobahnd said:
I could understand a contained product like a spray wax or tar remover having these warnings, but not a spray and rinse sealant that's routinely washed down driveways, drains, etc. How are companies able to sell products like this in the US?


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It's a good question, but as non-chemist I can't answer that. This is why I often think some of the coatings and products coming out of Asia are not as eco-friendly as brands like 3D and OPT. Most people don't care enough about it unfortunately. Out of sight out of mind until it comes back to give you a disease.
 
We can always live in the stone-age.

Some of these "reporting" regulations are so over-the-top. Here in California Prop 65 is a perfect example. Every store you walk into has a warning plastered on or near the door that there may be products in the store that may cause cancer.

What happens when EVERYTHING has a warning associated to it??? The warnings become universally ignored by the vast majority.

I understand the need for some regulation of hazardous materials, but there are too many instances where the EPA has run amuck. The question posed here may very well fall into that category.
 
“These really are harmful chemicals to yourself and the environment. Most contain HF which is really bad in all cases.
The caveat is that you will use these in a far diluted manner or sparingly.
But even so, you should avoid contact with your skin and inhaling mist.
If you were a commercial carwash - then yes there are probably much more stringent requirements.”


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Like I've mentioned in some other threads, I grew up working in the autobody/painting world. In that world there are many "health hazards" associated with the products used and the working environment. Generally speaking, the hazards associated with "most" detailing products and working environments are child's play in comparison.

I have never entered into a "detailing" task with any concerns for my health. The likely reason is that "detailing" health hazards rate pretty low on my hazard hierarchy based on my previous experiences.
 
I agree. It's not something I get alarmed about. In aggregate to the environment, I don't know.
 
I’m all for ethical treatment of all living things and the environment, I’m also an adult male of reason. If you can tell me how an ounce or so diluted down then wash away with even more water can impact the pond 1000 feet from me then I will gladly stand by your side. I’d say that most of it will dry on my drive before it ever hit the curb. As far as not knowing what the aggregate on the environment is I’m sure someone like the op will be along shortly to educate all of us on how we are bad human beings and must atone for our actions.
 
You’ll detail a dude’s car with expensive, environmentally-friendly products and feel good about yourself, and the dude will come and pick it up and mat the pedal on that 5.7 L hemi and lay down two 40 foot long strips of rubber as he leaves your driveway… Yeah I’m OK with the products I’m using.
 
As a prime example of the bureaucratic stupidity of our functionaries: the government has banned all residential pesticides where I live, but the golf course down the street is allowed to spray as much Mecoprop, Dicamba and 2,4-D as they want.
 
CleanIT said:
It's a good question, but as non-chemist I can't answer that. This is why I often think some of the coatings and products coming out of Asia are not as eco-friendly as brands like 3D and OPT. Most people don't care enough about it unfortunately. Out of sight out of mind until it comes back to give you a disease.
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A huge reason I use 3D and Opti such is because the Opti coating, Power Clean, and the 3D buffing liquids don't irritate my sinuses.

I like that Gloss Coat doesn't make my applicator or leveling towels ready for the trash bin.

My old bottles of Menzerna FG400 give me a headache when I use it. Many of their products say not to introduce to water ways as there are ingredients that they or a governing body has deemed harmful to aquatic life..

When I was working at a car wash back in the 90's we had this wheel cleaner.... It would sting the sinuses, eyes, anything that wasn't protected by skin!
 
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A huge reason I use 3D and Opti such is because the Opti coating, Power Clean, and the 3D buffing liquids don't irritate my sinuses.

I like that Gloss Coat doesn't make my applicator or leveling towels ready for the trash bin.

My old bottles of Menzerna FG400 give me a headache when I use it. Many of their products say not to introduce to water ways as there are ingredients that they or a governing body has deemed harmful to aquatic life..

When I was working at a car wash back in the 90's we had this wheel cleaner.... It would sting the sinuses, eyes, anything that wasn't protected by skin!
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It's something we don't often think much about, but over time can be a more serious issue. I know Dr. G has had some medical issues himself and both he and the chemist from 3D supposedly formulate in a more ecofriendly way. ONR is so safe you can water your plants with it. Optimum Gloss Enhancer and ID is also super safe. As is OPC relative to many other APC's.

But to most detailers they just want to see that beading from loaded up Sio2! lol

Probably important to wear gloves/mask when working with some of these products.
 
Lol I just ordered new OV/P100 canisters for my half-mask with the imminent arrival of my Tornador Max/VV. Ain’t no way I want to be breathing the cocktail of chemicals and mold, rot, and bacteria that thing’ll kick into my immediate environment! Also wise to wear when doing most coatings; you don’t realize how strong the solvents are until you go out into the fresh air and the whole world is spinning.
 
dlc95 said:
When I was working at a car wash back in the 90's we had this wheel cleaner.... It would sting the sinuses, eyes, anything that wasn't protected by skin!
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Car wash I worked at as a kid used Carbon Tetrachloride as a tar remover/general cleaner. Kept it in a big, open tub and when ya needed to refill your squeeze bottle you just submerged it in the tub up to your elbow.

Seemed like a good idea at the time


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I suspect that products sold in the US as spray and rinse are water based and pretty much any wax type product is low VOC.
 
Interesting thread. I have never used a spray and rinse type product.
 
BudgetPlan1 said:
Car wash I worked at as a kid used Carbon Tetrachloride as a tar remover/general cleaner. Kept it in a big, open tub and when ya needed to refill your squeeze bottle you just submerged it in the tub up to your elbow.

Seemed like a good idea at the time


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Carbon Tet was used in fire extinguishers up until the mid or late 70's.
 
Interesting find. As someone who lives near the ocean and is surfing in it multiple times a week that's something to consider. Probably not as bad as my neighbor that likes to throw his cigarette butts into the storm drain.
 
Rand0m said:
Interesting find. As someone who lives near the ocean and is surfing in it multiple times a week that's something to consider. Probably not as bad as my neighbor that likes to throw his cigarette butts into the storm drain.
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I am surrounded by water living on the Eastern tip of Long Island.

Bays, creeks, and LI Sound. I was raised to respect the water as it gave a living to much of the population here.

That said, I am not worried in the least about these products.

Much more harm comes from ablative bottom paint for boats, rich people who live on the waterfront using Chem-Lawn to keep their lawns pristine, and the illegal discharge of sewage from smaller pleasure boats.
 
if you really want to go down the rabbit hole, go to a site like Griot's Garage and click on the regulatory section of a particular product. An example of this would be the product safety sheet for the Boss correcting cream. It says "In case of skin contact - Wash with plenty of water. Take off all contaminated clothing and shoes. Wash contaminated clothing before reuse. Decontaminate or discard shoes. Seek immediate medical attention if you feel unwell."

I also hear graphene can be pretty nasty stuff but it's advertised on the front of a lot of products and even comes in sprays and such. Bottom line, is that I don't think most people care that much about the possible health risks associated with using a particular car care product, it's more about how well the product performs.

I would say at the very least most should be wearing gloves when using these products.
 
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