How do you stay away from holograms?

5.4 Shelby said:
holograms are from using a rotary polisher. Not a DA. If you have ever seen one of those poorly polished black cars that lok like they have comet trails all over the paint, those are holograms. Once you have seen them, there is no mistaking what they are. Start looking at the paint on every car you see on the road (all geeks do that anyway).
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Everything I have read said the same thing, but I just used a DA (w/ MG ultimate compund & ultimate polish, I have not gotten into the professional line yet) and I have crazy vertical holograms going up and down the door....so what did i do wrong with my DA? Its a giots I used white CCS pads for both steps, would a softer pad same product work to eliminate them?
 
marsomthing said:
Everything I have read said the same thing, but I just used a DA (w/ MG ultimate compund & ultimate polish, I have not gotten into the professional line yet) and I have crazy vertical holograms going up and down the door....so what did i do wrong with my DA? Its a giots I used white CCS pads for both steps, would a softer pad same product work to eliminate them?
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Do you have pics?

At first guess I would think you may be working it too long and therefore working it dry. The products you are using and the pad are appropriate. White pads should be somewhat gentle.

Also, try cleaning the panel with IPA or MS or Dawn wash. Maybe you are seeing polishing oils that you did not get all the way off.

Pics would be very helpful.
 
If I can tomorrow I will break out the camera, I got out all the swirls I was trying to but took it out in the sun and saw them...

If I worked a product to much would that explain all the "dust" blown bits left above my door? Would less section passes work?


Speaking of product... I have always used the line Autozone etc carries( I guess its the general market easy use line)

...how much better is this numbered line Meguiers makes (#80, 105, 205) Are they kind of like a more expierenced persons line? or just something like a step above the line major stores carry.
 
5.4 Shelby said:
Do you have pics?

At first guess I would think you may be working it too long and therefore working it dry. The products you are using and the pad are appropriate. White pads should be somewhat gentle.

Also, try cleaning the panel with IPA or MS or Dawn wash. Maybe you are seeing polishing oils that you did not get all the way off.

Pics would be very helpful.
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here is a crappy picture...in the sun these streaks/holograms are all over....
 
marsomthing said:
If I can tomorrow I will break out the camera, I got out all the swirls I was trying to but took it out in the sun and saw them...

If I worked a product to much would that explain all the "dust" blown bits left above my door? Would less section passes work?


Speaking of product... I have always used the line Autozone etc carries( I guess its the general market easy use line)

...how much better is this numbered line Meguiers makes (#80, 105, 205) Are they kind of like a more expierenced persons line? or just something like a step above the line major stores carry.
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I would give UC a very high grade. Easier to work with then 105. Doesnt cut quite as fast.

Havent used UP. I have used SwirlX which is similar and a fine product.

Hard to tell from that pic. Try hitting again with UP on clean pad. Work less passes. Only 3 or 4 section passes. With SMAT products you dont have to work until broken down. Clean with IPA (isopropyl alcohol) when done to ensure oils are removed. Re-evaluate paint to see if removed.
 
Something else I thought of during the night. Did you clean and clay the car real well? That part of the car is usually very dirty and gritty. I wonder if you picked up a contaminate from behind the front tires and marred your door with it? Be sure to inspect your pads for grit. You might try going back over it with clay before repolishing.
 
marsomthing said:
here is a crappy picture...in the sun these streaks/holograms are all over....
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That doesn't look like holograms to me. How many passes with your DA and UC did you do? Did you use the rotary on it beforehand? Was there any wetsanding involved?
 
Setec Astronomy said:
That doesn't look like holograms to me. How many passes with your DA and UC did you do? Did you use the rotary on it beforehand? Was there any wetsanding involved?
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I did around 4-6 passes. i did not use a rotary or wet sanding. I used a griots polisher speed 5. LIke I said before my goal was to remove the swirls which I dida good job...Ill try some of the suggestions and see what happens.
 
Sounds like you probably have some polish residue, either oils or dried product.
 
5.4 Shelby said:
Something else I thought of during the night. Did you clean and clay the car real well? That part of the car is usually very dirty and gritty. I wonder if you picked up a contaminate from behind the front tires and marred your door with it? Be sure to inspect your pads for grit. You might try going back over it with clay before repolishing.
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I did not clay it right before but I keep it very clean and smooth(imo). what does it mean to mar the paint? Smear contaminates around your clear coat via buffer?

BTW thanks for all the help to a new guy like me!
 
marsomthing said:
I did not clay it right before but I keep it very clean and smooth(imo). what does it mean to mar the paint? Smear contaminates around your clear coat via buffer?

BTW thanks for all the help to a new guy like me!
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Marring is basically fine scratches in the paint instilled by yourself. Rubbing too hard with paint clay, polishing with a dirty pad, working the polish dry, etc. Compounds, such as M105, UC and D300 will often mar the paint at a very fine level. That is why it is usually necessary to go to a polishing step, such as M205, UP or D301. On dark colors and/or soft paint, you may need to even go to a finishing step like Menzerna PO85rd on a gray pad to get all the marring out.

Dont get too worked up about this. No one starts out perfect. As with anything, it takes pratice and experience to refine your technique. Spend plenty of time practicing on your own vehicles and reading this forum. I had about 8 or 9 years of experience with DA polishers when I found this site 2 years ago. I have gained more in the last 2 years than I did in the first 9 just by reading and discussing on here. There a plenty of good people willing to help you get this figured out. You might even find a local willing to show you some tricks.
 
After polishing again I noticed it seemed to appear oil like...so I went ahead and just finished it with some wax and it took away the Smear/string/hologram left over.

So I am one happy camper, swirl free in the sun too!!!
 
marsomthing said:
After polishing again I noticed it seemed to appear oil like...so I went ahead and just finished it with some wax and it took away the Smear/string/hologram left over.

So I am one happy camper, swirl free in the sun too!!!
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Glad you are happy.

In the future, try wiping the panel down after polishing with isopropyl alcohol solution. It will remove the oils. If swirls re-appear after that step, it means the oils were hiding them.

I still think you are working too long or using too much polish or something. Normally the oils will wipe clean. try changing the pad, use less polish and/or clean the pad "on the fly". Might also try changing your polish removal towel more often.
 
Thanks for the help, I used less on the rest of the car, and it seemed to do the job!!!

once again thanks for the help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
marsomthing said:
Thanks for the help, I used less on the rest of the car, and it seemed to do the job!!!

once again thanks for the help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No problem. That is why we are here. Someday you can pass the info you learn on to a new guy when he needs help.
 
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