How Does The Menzerna Work?

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I've Never Used The Menzerna Line How Does It Work? I Have Been Using The 3 M Line Along With The Zaino Line.
 
Menzerna works very nicely when used correctly. As in right speed/ heat, time, pad, machine, etc. The weather can also make it act up. It will also dust a little depending on how you work it. Definitely my favorite line of polishes.
 
most people would consider Menzerna a step up from 3M. More user friendly and great results. Best part is most of their polishes finish up quite well too.
 
Menzerna works great, top notch probably one of the best polishes out there, for me it dusts A LOT.
 
yes it does but I use glare zero before hand to chemically soften the paint and follow with menzerna and it spreads beautifully.
Once menzerna starts to dust when at 1500 rpm +, thats the signal to back down to 800 to 900 and burnish
 
Mr Dream Machines said:
Once menzerna starts to dust when at 1500 rpm +, thats the signal to back down to 800 to 900 and burnish
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I thought I was the only one that did this!
Dusting is a sign to stop polishing. You're done and need more product on the pad. You can get dusting with too much product too.
 
Mr Dream Machines said:
yes it does but I use glare zero before hand to chemically soften the paint and follow with menzerna and it spreads beautifully.
Once menzerna starts to dust when at 1500 rpm +, thats the signal to back down to 800 to 900 and burnish
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"I use glare zero before hand to chemically soften the paint"

Would you elaborate on this pls?
 
ferrari detailer said:
I've Never Used The Menzerna Line How Does It Work? I Have Been Using The 3 M Line Along With The Zaino Line.
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These polishes were designed to work with high speed rotary polisher’s, utilizing friction to break-down the diminishing abrasives, while in the controlled temperature / humidity environment (working temp range 60 – 800F (15-260C) of a vehicle manufacturer’s paint shop finishing line. Note that silicone has an adverse effect on the oils used for surface lubrication and can cause the polish to smear, also be aware that working outside you may have issues like excess humidity, heat, cold, etc that will affect there performance especially with the Nano polish (105FF) as it uses wax as a lubricant (colder temps may cause the wax to harden)

These diminishing abrasive polishes are foam pad ‘dependant’ as far as its paint correction / renovation abilities are concerned and they appear to work better when the foam pad is ‘primed’ (a very slightly distilled water dampened foam; do not use a quick detailer (QD) as most are formulated with either a wax or a polymer; however they are not easily adaptable to a spray formula.

To be efficient they need to be emulsified to work as a spray, to facilitate this they need to use an emulsion of silicone oils and water. The wax will reduce the friction heat, negatively impacting the diminishing abrasives; silicon-based products can also have a negative effect on the surface / polish lubrication oils used by Menzerna causing surface smearing.

The use of a duel level foam pad / polish system will really heighten the paint finish shine. Remember to use the least abrasive first before ‘stepping-up’ to the next abrasive level.

It should also be noted that these polishes use oil in water emulsion or wax for lubrication; if you are using a polymer after polishing it will be necessary to wipe-down the paint surface with Menzerna Top Inspection, a 1:1 solution of isopropyl alcohol (IPA) and distilled water or DuPont’s Prepsol solvent.



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TOGWT said:
These polishes were designed to work with high speed rotary polisher’s, utilizing friction to break-down the diminishing abrasives, while in the controlled temperature / humidity environment (working temp range 60 – 800F (15-260C) of a vehicle manufacturer’s paint shop finishing line. Note that silicone has an adverse effect on the oils used for surface lubrication and can cause the polish to smear, also be aware that working outside you may have issues like excess humidity, heat, cold, etc that will affect there performance especially with the Nano polish (105FF) as it uses wax as a lubricant (colder temps may cause the wax to harden)

These diminishing abrasive polishes are foam pad ‘dependant’ as far as its paint correction / renovation abilities are concerned and they appear to work better when the foam pad is ‘primed’ (a very slightly distilled water dampened foam; do not use a quick detailer (QD) as most are formulated with either a wax or a polymer; however they are not easily adaptable to a spray formula.

To be efficient they need to be emulsified to work as a spray, to facilitate this they need to use an emulsion of silicone oils and water. The wax will reduce the friction heat, negatively impacting the diminishing abrasives; silicon-based products can also have a negative effect on the surface / polish lubrication oils used by Menzerna causing surface smearing.

The use of a duel level foam pad / polish system will really heighten the paint finish shine. Remember to use the least abrasive first before ‘stepping-up’ to the next abrasive level.

It should also be noted that these polishes use oil in water emulsion or wax for lubrication; if you are using a polymer after polishing it will be necessary to wipe-down the paint surface with Menzerna Top Inspection, a 1:1 solution of isopropyl alcohol (IPA) and distilled water or DuPont’s Prepsol solvent.
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Firsthand knowledge, guessing or what somebody told you?
 
SpoiledMan said:
Firsthand knowledge, guessing or what somebody told you?
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Combination of first hand knowledge; I will only recommend what I have first-hand experience of using and those that produce or exceed the results I expect

And what somebody told me; (Menzerna representative, Germany)

Guessing; you should know enough about me by now to know I don't 'guess' (but I'm sometimes guilty of using SWAG (scientific wild a@@s guess) :D

 
TOGWT: One of the most clear, concise, explanations for Menzerna that I've read. Thank you for that information...especially since I was using a Quick Detailer to prime my pads!

Toto
 
Call it luck or whatever, but I used 106 and after wiping with a MF towel and a little ONR mist (at QD strenght) - direactly applied the new NXT 2.0. Car turned out great. The damp cloth was best for getting the dust off. Oh, yeah, I was using a PC, nextr time it's rotary!
 
If you are really trying to get a flawless finish then you must do a wipe down and inspect the paint.
 
D&D Auto Detailing said:
If you are really trying to get a flawless finish then you must do a wipe down and inspect the paint.
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:iagree:

What some see as 'fillers' is actually oil / wax that Menzerna use in their polishes for surface lubrication, as eluded too above, the surface should be cleaned (.i.e. Top Inspection, Isopropyl alcohol, Prepsol, etc) to inspect the surface and ensure its oil-free for the application of a polymer sealant
 
I cleaned with ONR and a towel and the paint was soooo clean it sqeaked when I rubbed my hand on it. If there was any oils/waxes left from 106, the NXT 2.0 didn't mind.
 
Totoland Mach said:
TOGWT: One of the most clear, concise, explanations for Menzerna that I've read. Thank you for that information...especially since I was using a Quick Detailer to prime my pads!

Toto
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Thank you for those kind words (see also new post - Menzerna Methodology Part I & II) had so many e-mails with Menz questions I though I should post complete info) hope it helps
 
Junebug said:
I cleaned with ONR and a towel and the paint was soooo clean it sqeaked when I rubbed my hand on it. If there was any oils/waxes left from 106, the NXT 2.0 didn't mind.
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Bonding issues aside, you'll still find that Menzerna will hide stuff if you dont do a wipe down.
 
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