How many of you use Mineral Spirits for tar removal

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Just wondering how many of you are using mineral spirits for tar removal.

Would you care to share any tips/techniques in terms of preferred application methods.

Anybody have any horror stories of damage to the paint etc.

Thanks in advance
 
Mineral spirits should not damage cured paint. It's perfectly harmless on paint that has cured! It's wet paint and other things (like tar) that it'll eat up.
 
I have used it with great success. I just take a Scott Shoptowel and fold it into a pad, soak it with Mineral Spirits, and hold it on the tar for a minute or two. Then it comes right off.
Just remember that it removes every trace of wax too.
 
Mineral spirits is effectively the 'base' used in many hydrocarbon tar removers. It is basically kerosine with the nasty stuff removed (I have commented elsewhere and it is this nasty stuff you need to beware of). Do be aware that it will be difficult to remove because it is totally water insoluble and also it has a relatively high flash point so it can take hours to evaporate away (and you cannot afford to apply something until it is all gone). Moreover, it is relatively mild on its own. Formulated tar removers will typically have a level of additional solvents which aid their effectiveness (although it should be noted some cheap products use some seriously aggressive solvents which I personally do not agree with). Moreover, a formulated tar remover will have added agents to ensure that the product will rinse off with water (which is the reason they turn 'white' on water contact).

Personally, because we make the stuff, I have access to large volumes of mineral spirits and likewise to tar remover. I would never use the base mineral spirits for tar removal. This should tell you that the only reason for using mineral spirits is if you do not have a proper tar remover available (or it is too expensive).
 
Mineral spirits is effectively the 'base' used in many hydrocarbon tar removers. It is basically kerosine with the nasty stuff removed (I have commented elsewhere and it is this nasty stuff you need to beware of). Do be aware that it will be difficult to remove because it is totally water insoluble and also it has a relatively high flash point so it can take hours to evaporate away (and you cannot afford to apply something until it is all gone). Moreover, it is relatively mild on its own. Formulated tar removers will typically have a level of additional solvents which aid their effectiveness (although it should be noted some cheap products use some seriously aggressive solvents which I personally do not agree with). Moreover, a formulated tar remover will have added agents to ensure that the product will rinse off with water (which is the reason they turn 'white' on water contact).

Personally, because we make the stuff, I have access to large volumes of mineral spirits and likewise to tar remover. I would never use the base mineral spirits for tar removal. This should tell you that the only reason for using mineral spirits is if you do not have a proper tar remover available (or it is too expensive).

Thank you

So if I am understanding correctly, mineral spirits is a cheaper alternative to properly formulated tar removers (for example Autofinesse Oblitarate), however its draw backs are

a) it will take longer to evaporate due to the higher flash point and the fact that it is water insoluble. [are there any cleaners which could aid in the removal of the mineral spirits that could be used after using mineral spirits?]

b) it will take longer to remove the tar due to the lack of certain additional solvents - i.e. mineral spirits (being the base only) doesn't have the added 'oompf' from the additional solvents (such as Xyelen etc)

But it is as safe, or perhaps even safer for the paint, than properly formulated tar removers (as some of these contain potentially harmful chemicals such as xylene or 'butyl' type solvents)

There are 3 main reasons for my interest in this.

1) the long term safety of customers' paint when using dedicated tar removers - the post on Autopia re: paint swelling scared me a little
2) my long term health/safety due to repeated exposure to harmful substances contained in the dedicated tar removers
3) The high cost of dedicated tar removers in comparison to mineral spirits
 
I've used Mineral Spirits (MS)...
With: Low-Odor Mineral Spirits (L-OMS) being my preferred "type"...
for tar removal on many occasions.

To help ensure the removal of any trace amounts of MS/L-OMS:
I'll employ a 'poultice-like process' usually consisting of Lava Soap,
subsequently followed by copius amounts of water...via flooding method(s).

:)

Bob
 
I have used it with great success. I just take a Scott Shoptowel and fold it into a pad, soak it with Mineral Spirits, and hold it on the tar for a minute or two. Then it comes right off.
Just remember that it removes every trace of wax too.
+1
 
Thank you

So if I am understanding correctly, mineral spirits is a cheaper alternative to properly formulated tar removers (for example Autofinesse Oblitarate), however its draw backs are

a) it will take longer to evaporate due to the higher flash point and the fact that it is water insoluble. [are there any cleaners which could aid in the removal of the mineral spirits that could be used after using mineral spirits?]

b) it will take longer to remove the tar due to the lack of certain additional solvents - i.e. mineral spirits (being the base only) doesn't have the added 'oompf' from the additional solvents (such as Xyelen etc)

But it is as safe, or perhaps even safer for the paint, than properly formulated tar removers (as some of these contain potentially harmful chemicals such as xylene or 'butyl' type solvents)

There are 3 main reasons for my interest in this.

1) the long term safety of customers' paint when using dedicated tar removers - the post on Autopia re: paint swelling scared me a little
2) my long term health/safety due to repeated exposure to harmful substances contained in the dedicated tar removers
3) The high cost of dedicated tar removers in comparison to mineral spirits

Mostly you are correct. To be honest, I feel that the risks of many solvents are over stated. There is a lot of caution about some solvents yet the same people will use other products which pose much greater risks. Moreover, there is fretting about some commonly used solvents which may pose some hazard yet we will never discuss some of the really nasty solvents, simply because they are not commonly used.

The only real issue you have with the LO MS is the difficulty in getting rid of it. A thorough wash will get most of it, an IPA wipe will get the rest.
 
I've used mineral spirits before. I have also used Tarminator and 3M general adhesive remover.

They are all good, maybe the 3M is the best of the bunch but who knows really.
 
gojo hand cleaner works just a well as mineral spirits for tar removal
 
So Tar-X isn't getting any love in this thread? Vew-we inter-westing.;)

I'm one of those 'both camp' guys. If it's a DD, especially some of the jacked up 4x4's around here that don't know the difference between a swirl and a squirrel I'll put MS on it every time and then a 15% (at least) IPA wipe. But on a 'normal' car I became spoiled with Tar-X first time I used it. :dunno:
 
Mineral spirits is effectively the 'base' used in many hydrocarbon tar removers. It is basically kerosine with the nasty stuff removed (I have commented elsewhere and it is this nasty stuff you need to beware of). Do be aware that it will be difficult to remove because it is totally water insoluble and also it has a relatively high flash point so it can take hours to evaporate away (and you cannot afford to apply something until it is all gone). Moreover, it is relatively mild on its own. Formulated tar removers will typically have a level of additional solvents which aid their effectiveness (although it should be noted some cheap products use some seriously aggressive solvents which I personally do not agree with). Moreover, a formulated tar remover will have added agents to ensure that the product will rinse off with water (which is the reason they turn 'white' on water contact).

Personally, because we make the stuff, I have access to large volumes of mineral spirits and likewise to tar remover. I would never use the base mineral spirits for tar removal. This should tell you that the only reason for using mineral spirits is if you do not have a proper tar remover available (or it is too expensive).



You expertise is always much appreciated. And you explanations are always in depth yet easy to understand. Never thought about tar removers turning white with water contact but it explains much.

For those reading..... This gentleman is always spot on and knows what he is talking about. I suggest considering his words very deeply. For more interesting reading, I suggest reading his explanation why Dawn doesn't strip LSPs as some believe it does. :cheers:
 
I just use Tarminator. I do not have any mineral spirits around anyway.
 
So Tar-X isn't getting any love in this thread? Vew-we inter-westing.;)

I'm one of those 'both camp' guys. If it's a DD, especially some of the jacked up 4x4's around here that don't know the difference between a swirl and a squirrel I'll put MS on it every time and then a 15% (at least) IPA wipe. But on a 'normal' car I became spoiled with Tar-X first time I used it. :dunno:

Tar-X is an example of a 'different' tar remover. Whilst the majority are hydrocarbon blends of varying aggression, Tar-X is working on a different philosophy. It cannot be accused of being cheap and nasty (that is the reality of most tar removers in the UK - very few will pay good money so the manufacturers have no choice but to keep their costs as low as possible). Dodo is another one with a product which is a bit different - I applaud both companies for their willingness to offer users something 'value added' to their detailing brand products, rather than just selling the same stuff that gets used on industrial vehicles, but with fancy label, bottle and price.

The reason this type of product doesn't get the same attention is firstly the price and secondly, perceived effectiveness. This latter point was noted previously (though the posted might not have realised!). Faster removal is universally assumed to mean a better product. Think about wheel cleaners, what is the fastest and most effective cleaner? A strong acid product, probably with hydrofluoric acid. But, how many of us are using this on a daily basis? No one who would not be considered a joke on a forum like this! No, this product is wildly effective but that does not make it the best (it is also very inexpensive). Why is that? Well it is accepted that the acids are hazardous and can cause long term harm - they just are not necessary for most jobs. The same scenario exists with tar removers. I bet most people have no idea what solvents are actually in their tar removers. Ok, we know there is mineral spirits, but what else? Is your product equivalent to hydrofluoric acid?! Many times you cannot even find this info due to the failure to provide data sheets. Let me clear it up though, like with wheel cleaners, if a product works really fast and is really effective, it probably contains more aggressive solvents than a similar product which works more slowly. There are exceptions but most 'runny' liquid tar removers can be described that way. The boggle for me is that the detailing sector has decided that the faster a product acts, the better it is. Things like tarmalade or tar-x are milder, will have less risk of short or long term damage but the compromise is that they take a bit longer and cost a bit more.

I ask you, is detailing not all about doing a better and safer job, even if it takes a bit longer and costs a bit more?!

You expertise is always much appreciated.

I really appreciate your kind words. I do truly believe that education can help us all do a better job and I really enjoy discussing it openly with a forum community which is so open minded and willing to think logically, rather than rely on baseless hearsay. :dblthumb2:
 
Tarminator/3M Adhesive Remover. I find any tar that is large/hard should be heated before removal.
 
Tar-X is an example of a 'different' tar remover. Whilst the majority are hydrocarbon blends of varying aggression, Tar-X is working on a different philosophy. It cannot be accused of being cheap and nasty (that is the reality of most tar removers in the UK - very few will pay good money so the manufacturers have no choice but to keep their costs as low as possible). Dodo is another one with a product which is a bit different - I applaud both companies for their willingness to offer users something 'value added' to their detailing brand products, rather than just selling the same stuff that gets used on industrial vehicles, but with fancy label, bottle and price.

The reason this type of product doesn't get the same attention is firstly the price and secondly, perceived effectiveness. This latter point was noted previously (though the posted might not have realised!). Faster removal is universally assumed to mean a better product. Think about wheel cleaners, what is the fastest and most effective cleaner? A strong acid product, probably with hydrofluoric acid. But, how many of us are using this on a daily basis? No one who would not be considered a joke on a forum like this! No, this product is wildly effective but that does not make it the best (it is also very inexpensive). Why is that? Well it is accepted that the acids are hazardous and can cause long term harm - they just are not necessary for most jobs. The same scenario exists with tar removers. I bet most people have no idea what solvents are actually in their tar removers. Ok, we know there is mineral spirits, but what else? Is your product equivalent to hydrofluoric acid?! Many times you cannot even find this info due to the failure to provide data sheets. Let me clear it up though, like with wheel cleaners, if a product works really fast and is really effective, it probably contains more aggressive solvents than a similar product which works more slowly. There are exceptions but most 'runny' liquid tar removers can be described that way. The boggle for me is that the detailing sector has decided that the faster a product acts, the better it is. Things like tarmalade or tar-x are milder, will have less risk of short or long term damage but the compromise is that they take a bit longer and cost a bit more.

I ask you, is detailing not all about doing a better and safer job, even if it takes a bit longer and costs a bit more?!

Thank you VERY much for that insight my friend. :props: I feel as if I might have been ostracized with great impudence some years ago (around these here parts) with my free willingness to use hydrofluoric acid. ;) I bought it by the pallet for decades. :eek: (And fear my lungs may have paid the price all the while.) :rolleyes: That however was for maintaining rollback towing vehicles that I did not have the luxury of taking DAYS to detail. Sometimes it was just the aluminum bed by itself that needed cleaning (perhaps from hauling a burned vehicle) and that is by far the most effective solution. (Both in the sense it solved the problem and is a "solution".) Still have my stainless steel sprayer some 10 years later that I used to use on a weekly basis. ;)

Yet when it comes to non-commercial vehicles I've always preferred the easiest method on the paint that I could possibly use. Thing is; I don't find Tar-X as hard to use or any less effective than MS for that matter. With a little spritz and let it sit for a few minutes it'll take of baked on tar with just a couple of wipes. Plus it seems to not leave the residue that MS leaves. (As has already been stated earlier in the thread.)

Along that line of thinking. I've been guilty, (perhaps thinking of saving a few pennies,) of using MS before Tar-X came along, and even since I might try to 'loosen' it with MS then use Tar-X to actually CLEAN the surface. Just can't for the life of me seem up to put up with (even low odor) Mineral Spirits. :dunno: That, is where Tar-X is the winner for me! :props:
 
Tarminator/3M Adhesive Remover.
Same here, I buy Tarminator by the 5 gallon pail. Darn near every car I detail seems to have a lot of tar to deal with, Tarminator and 3M Adhesive remover both work excellent.
 
Same here, I buy Tarminator by the 5 gallon pail. Darn near every car I detail seems to have a lot of tar to deal with, Tarminator and 3M Adhesive remover both work excellent.

Ditto! Tarminator is awesome.
 
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