How Much Does Wax "Really" Do For Perfect Paint?

Most Interesting to me is that, in the pictures posted by Swanicyouth...the UNWAXED sections look better to me than the ones with wax on them


I personally, can only see a very slight "darkening" of my black paint, when any LSP or Glaze is applied

I cannot see an increase in reflectivity or gloss


I can understand how a "Cleaner Wax" can have an impact on reflectivity and gloss when applied to paint that is not perfected, but that is not a fair comparison as we are talking about improvement to paint that is already perfect and what wax can potentially add
 
I can understand how a "Cleaner Wax" can have an impact on reflectivity and gloss when applied to paint that is not perfected, but that is not a fair comparison as we are talking about improvement to paint that is already perfect and what wax can potentially add


And on that note... I'll stick by what I wrote in post #8 of this thread...


The only time I've ever relied on JUST polishing is when I planned on polishing often and was driving a car with single stage paint.

Like this old Chevy I used to pull my Drag Boat to the lake with... it had single stage bright orange paint and I polished "often" using either #5 Hand Glaze or #7 Show Car Glaze.

Foster Mud Flat Races

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I never polished by buddy's Eric and Little Joe's Mud Trucks.... :D

But I did help Eric build the one on the left from the ground up and I mean from the ground up. We started by building the frame out of 4" square stock tubing. My buddy Eric still owns this truck to this day.



:)
 
The effect of an LSP on paint. This is not perfect paint (so like 99% of the cars out there). This was a reverse test spot I did after saw a MP write up.

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^Looks different to me. Maybe I have Spidey eyes or something and can see special things others can not. If this is the case, I got to find some way to profit off my special vision.
 
Most Interesting to me is that, in the pictures posted by Swanicyouth...the UNWAXED sections look better to me than the ones with wax on them


I personally, can only see a very slight "darkening" of my black paint, when any LSP or Glaze is applied

I cannot see an increase in reflectivity or gloss


I can understand how a "Cleaner Wax" can have an impact on reflectivity and gloss when applied to paint that is not perfected, but that is not a fair comparison as we are talking about improvement to paint that is already perfect and what wax can potentially add

I agree with this. Certain sealants will have a darkening effect. I think this thread is going away from its original post question that is will wax make a MAJOR difference in gloss & depth. Clearly, even on color charged waxes they only change the tint of color, NOT gloss or reflectivity. Ive yet to find a wax (and ive tried several in my career) that made a MAJOR difference in gloss. Subtle yes, but compared to what polishing and jeweling can achieve? Not a chance. Again I offer this based on my personal experience working on clients vehicles, not on something read on the internet ;)
 
^Looks different to me. Maybe I have Spidey eyes or something and can see special things others can not. If this is the case, I got to find some way to profit off my special vision.

I agree, it looks "different"

It looks darker to me


Does it have more "Depth", more "Gloss" or more "Shine"....I can't tell
 
Man, I couldn't agree more. And for 99% of the folks out there, those results alone are going to be enough. The question is, do you want to spend hours trying to achieve that 1% more out of your shine or do you want to DRIVE your car? I have yet to have anyone walk up to me and say, "Man, that's some great looking wax!"

I bought mine to drive and although it's clean, I drive the hell out of it. With 150,000 on the odometer, people who don't know still ask me if it's new. It's 13 years old! :eek:

you may be a bit backwards in your thinking here, because it's true that wax can change the look of paint. different waxes can have different effects, take colored waxes for example. that layer is only a few nanometers thick, but it makes a different, just like it makes a difference for protection.

but in terms of people wanting a wax for getting past that 1% difference. i would assume that the average consumer wants a wax that will help their not so perfect paint, look better. all of us have even observed how some waxes, or glazes, or sealants will cover up scratches to make a much smoother and reflective surface.

when it comes to the OCD of paint polishing, and getting it 100% perfect. the paint itself will be as close to completely flat, and level, and glossy as can be, and a coating or wax on top of it won't make a difference in the appearance in terms of gloss, or reflectiveness at that point, but it can have an overall effect on the appearance, as we have seen the darkening characteristics of wax through the pictures of tapelines on polished vs waxed surfaces.

if you want to go back to your makeup analogy. you won't be able to tell what kind of makeup she used, and you won't be able to tell what kind of wax was used, just like in your video too, you won't know when it is or isn't used on a perfect surface (which most people don't have). and you won't be able to tell if a woman has even used makeup if her face is already in pristine/perfect condition.... but change that perfect skin or perfect paint to rough/dry skin with imperfections, and paint that is swirled up some with cobwebs and dull ness. and then that is when you can start to really see the helpful effects of makeup/wax.



(btw, just last week a guy walked up to me at a gas station and asked me what kind of polish and wax i used because my car looked great, ironically the paint isn't anywhere near perfect, but it has more than a few layers of protection on it, so it still shines brightly)
 
Those pictures sure show how a LSP can make the paint look different. A lot of you are confusing looking 'different' with looking 'better'.
 
Those pictures sure show how a LSP can make the paint look different. A lot of you are confusing looking 'different' with looking 'better'.


better is subjective, as even worn out or patina looks have their place and look better to some. but literally changing the look and causing it to either shine more or less, yes they do make a difference. i read through some of that other thread posted of the man who went and tried to do a glossometer test of some sealant products, but i don't agree with the way he went about getting his results and conducting his testing.

there is a way to determine what can reflect better, and what can have a better "gloss" to it. but you are splitting hairs at that point. the best anyone can say is, yes, they do make some small difference, but its almost impossible to tell one from the other so use what you think looks best for you. speaking at the fully corrected, perfect paint stage.
 
The problem with the diagnostic test equipment is that you are only testing a single spot. Not the same as looking at the car as a whole where a LSP can make the body lines more pronounced. The major differences that I see between LSP's is when they are view at an angle. With some LSP's the reflection turns into total mirror with a whitish reflection and you loose any depth in the paint at just a small angle where as some maintain the depth even at big angle. This is where the sealant 'plastic look' takes place. The LSP's that do not hold onto any depth at an angle are usually the ones that people say look 'plasticky' because they are all bling bling reflection.
 
The problem with the diagnostic test equipment is that you are only testing a single spot. Not the same as looking at the car as a whole where a LSP can make the body lines more pronounced. The major differences that I see between LSP's is when they are view at an angle. With some LSP's the reflection turns into total mirror with a whitish reflection and you loose any depth in the paint at just a small angle where as some maintain the depth even at big angle. This is where the sealant 'plastic look' takes place. The LSP's that do not hold onto any depth at an angle are usually the ones that people say look 'plasticky' because they are all bling bling reflection.

So using your theory, which type of wax would you say I have on my car in this picture, a carnuba paste wax or a polymer sealant?

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Those pictures sure show how a LSP can make the paint look different. A lot of you are confusing looking 'different' with looking 'better'.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There should be less debate on whether there is a difference.
 
Jeez, Junkman no body has ever said that they can tell which wax or sealant is on a car. Only that they can have a different look, which was proven with those last few pictures that you requested. Get lost! You are a fool.
 
Jeez, Junkman no body has ever said that they can tell which wax or sealant is on a car. Only that they can have a different look, which was proven with those last few pictures that you requested. Get lost! You are a fool.

If personal attacks are the best that you can do, you do not belong in this community or this discussion.
 
Okay. I'll resign immediately. You keeping making the same argument that no one else is talking about. Suppose you are going to ask everyone which wax or sealant is on a car from photo again? Like that proves anything. Are your eyes that bad that you can't see subtle differences with the paint finish after the LSP has been applied?
 
So using your theory, which type of wax would you say I have on my car in this picture, a carnuba paste wax or a polymer sealant?

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Who cares what is on it ... that 'vette looks awesome. :dblthumb2:
 
Jeez, Junkman no body has ever said that they can tell which wax or sealant is on a car. Only that they can have a different look, which was proven with those last few pictures that you requested. Get lost! You are a fool.

Go Away, DBAILEY
 
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